PWCC's 1936 Goudey World Wide Gum DiMaggio PSA 7

[Rookiemonster]

Originally Posted by Whodunit

Have you read the last 10 pages of this thread? Scroll back to the ones that started early this morning and work your way to the end. Your pwcc questions HAVE BEEN EXPOSED today.

I have read back and I don't see any details on the disciples and organized shilling. Just that you said it was going on . I see this topic has made its way to Blowout already to .

[1952boyntoncollector]

There have been a lot of cards that were glued to collector album then removed.

Gonewiththestain.com shows a bunch of 1952 topps for example that were glued that they 'fixed'.

If got the card graded before it was doctored, it would be an' A' after buying the A at a low price and doctoring it, it could be a psa 5.

I have never seen an auction house ever say that any card was glued to a photo album and then 'something happened' to the card and now its a PSA 5.

If you found out that your PSA 5 card came from a card that was glued to a collector album do you get your money back. Is the card truly a PSA 5? I would argue that it is a PSA 5 and you were not scammed.....

If the seller disclosed this, they probably get less for the card, but if they dont disclose it, they get more for the card but later people may find out about it and the seller may lose value in the market when trying to sell other things...who knows...

Noone knows exactly what the methods of how the card was changed to get into a PSA 7 was. There seems to be a big disagreement about what method is wrong and what methods would be deemed more acceptable.

i just think we are missing a big piece of the puzzle....

[Brent Huigens]

Board Members,

Here are a few comments on some of the points made by participants of this post:

• Though not part of our regular service offering, PWCC has had cards graded on behalf of our clients, usually at major shows, which are then consigned to our auctions. In rarer cases, we have also purchased cards on behalf of consignors with whom we manage a credit. This is largely consistent with every other auction house in the country.
• We did indeed engage PSA to verify the accuracy of their assessment on this 1936 WWG DiMaggio. As we strongly believed, the card is graded accurately and this was re-confirmed by PSA prior the auction sale.

I want to make another point here. Courtney DeLorme is a person with whom we no longer do business. Mr. DeLorme is now the first person in the history of PWCC to have been blocked as an individual rather than a specific user ID. This action was decided upon as a result to the ever-expanding list of abuse to our company, us as individuals, and the hobby at large. His main user ID has been blocked for some time due to extensive bid retractions. Last week all other user IDs associated with Mr. DeLorme were blocked due to personal threats and abuse, auction manipulation, and a very large unpaid debt. Mr. DeLorme went so far as to attack me on my personal Facebook page which was unfortunately viewed by many of my own friends and family. Many people know the reputation that Mr. DeLorme carries in the hobby; no longer doing business with him has been a huge relief for our family.

Betsy Huigens

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Brent Huigens

Board Members,

Here are a few comments on some of the points made by participants of this post:

• Though not part of our regular service offering, PWCC has had cards graded on behalf of our clients, usually at major shows, which are then consigned to our auctions. In rarer cases, we have also purchased cards on behalf of consignors with whom we manage a credit. This is largely consistent with every other auction house in the country.
• We did indeed engage PSA to verify the accuracy of their assessment on this 1936 WWG DiMaggio. As we strongly believed, the card is graded accurately and this was re-confirmed by PSA prior the auction sale.

Betsy Huigens

Sounds like a bad situation. I wonder how a consignor can have a large debt though with an auction house. Sounds like a very long relationship and for some reason it went sour. Seems like a lose lose situation

[orly57]

Judging by Ms. Huigen's first point, it looks like Brent's defense is going to be that he sent the card to psa on behalf of a consigner. He will say the consigner bought the card as an SGC 4, had it doctored, gave it to Brent to send to psa (he gets the grade bumps), and had Brent sell it to Cortney for 75k. That is what I glean from that post. Maybe I am off.
Cortney, I think you got screwed here buddy, but you really didn't do any due diligence before buying a 75k card. When I buy my pathetic 4-figure cards I always look at past sales. I would have immediately noticed that the marks on the 4 match the marks on the card Brent was trying to pawn off on me. This is a low-pop card, so there aren't that many past sales to look through. Those marks are visible from a mile away. Or perhaps you did realize it too late and that was the reason you decided to consign it when you did. Because I can't imagine you thought you were gonna get more than the 75k you put into it.

[Whodunit]

So, now Betsy, they get screenshots regarding your husband asking me via text just a few short weeks ago to shill bid.......been waiting all day for this one. ;-) thank you for FINALLY OBLIGING me.

And, Betsy, spell my name right.

[Whodunit]

Fyi

[PhillipAbbott79]

Originally Posted by Whodunit

Fyi

Hole. E. Shit.

[RedsFan1941]

guys, you're seriously going to litter what is becoming an even greater thread with political talk? please be quiet

[nrm1977]

Originally Posted by Whodunit

Fyi

Now that is just funked up! Where money is to be made you will always have corrupt people. Insane...unless I'm reading this wrong? Brent is telling the guy to bid on an auction?

[Whodunit]

Me tring to pay this "very large unpaid debt" up to over a week ago that he refuses to invoice me on. Wpuld yall like to see a screenshot of the 250k wite Id sent him the month prior.

Bring it on Betsy. Ive got plenty more

[Whodunit]

Lmk when you process the "unpaid item" screen shots that Ive clearly refuted. Ill throw in a pic of the wire when youre ready.

Then, shall we go further with him asking me to shill bid Betsy? I can oblige. ;-)

[Rookiemonster]

See Courtney this is what I was referring to lol

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Whodunit

Me tring to pay this "very large unpaid debt" up to over a week ago that he refuses to invoice me on. Wpuld yall like to see a screenshot of the 250k wite Id sent him the month prior.

Bring it on Betsy. Ive got plenty more

You really need to show the whole text conversation...anyone can pick and choose a certain part of a text conversation to support their view. What texted before the screen shot and what was texted afterwards are pertinent if you are showing your side, otherwise it looks like they are not there for a reason.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Brent Huigens

Board Members,

Here are a few comments on some of the points made by participants of this post:

• Though not part of our regular service offering, PWCC has had cards graded on behalf of our clients, usually at major shows, which are then consigned to our auctions. In rarer cases, we have also purchased cards on behalf of consignors with whom we manage a credit. This is largely consistent with every other auction house in the country.
• We did indeed engage PSA to verify the accuracy of their assessment on this 1936 WWG DiMaggio. As we strongly believed, the card is graded accurately and this was re-confirmed by PSA prior the auction sale.

I want to make another point here. Courtney DeLorme is a person with whom we no longer do business. Mr. DeLorme is now the first person in the history of PWCC to have been blocked as an individual rather than a specific user ID. This action was decided upon as a result to the ever-expanding list of abuse to our company, us as individuals, and the hobby at large. His main user ID has been blocked for some time due to extensive bid retractions. Last week all other user IDs associated with Mr. DeLorme were blocked due to personal threats and abuse, auction manipulation, and a very large unpaid debt. Mr. DeLorme went so far as to attack me on my personal Facebook page which was unfortunately viewed by many of my own friends and family. Many people know the reputation that Mr. DeLorme carries in the hobby; no longer doing business with him has been a huge relief for our family.

Betsy Huigens

You don't deny the essential facts (for me) though -- that Brent knew the history of this card when he listed it. Whether he bought it and sold it for someone else, or with a partner, or for himself, don't affect anything. And PWCC's dealings with Cortney are beside the point too.

[botn]

Post #412's screen capture pretty much demonstrates there is no truth to this policy of PWCC's:
Auction Integrity
No Shill

The integrity of bidding on our auctions is our highest priority. The sportscard hobby hinges on the honesty and integrity of the seller, and collectors deserve a bidding environment that is 100% legitimate and uninfluenced by manipulation such as fraudulent bidding by the auction house, consignors, friends of consignors, friends of the auction house, or anyone else who participates insincerely with the sole intention of manipulating the sale price.

I know this thread is about the WWG Joe D but that text Cortney posted is incredibly damaging to Brent...think someone posted the other day in support of Brent, stating to keep doing what he is doing. Post may have been a bit premature.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by botn

I know this thread is about the WWG Joe D but that text Cortney posted is incredibly damaging to Brent...think someone posted the other day in support of Brent, stating to keep doing what he is doing. Post may have been a bit premature.

Didn't Cortney say earlier that he was bidding on the WWG because he wanted to buy it back? Now he's saying he was asked to shill? A lot of what's being said just doesn't add up.

[BeanTown]

Originally Posted by Brent Huigens

Board Members,

Here are a few comments on some of the points made by participants of this post:

• Though not part of our regular service offering, PWCC has had cards graded on behalf of our clients, usually at major shows, which are then consigned to our auctions. In rarer cases, we have also purchased cards on behalf of consignors with whom we manage a credit. This is largely consistent with every other auction house in the country.
• We did indeed engage PSA to verify the accuracy of their assessment on this 1936 WWG DiMaggio. As we strongly believed, the card is graded accurately and this was re-confirmed by PSA prior the auction sale.

I want to make another point here. Courtney DeLorme is a person with whom we no longer do business. Mr. DeLorme is now the first person in the history of PWCC to have been blocked as an individual rather than a specific user ID. This action was decided upon as a result to the ever-expanding list of abuse to our company, us as individuals, and the hobby at large. His main user ID has been blocked for some time due to extensive bid retractions. Last week all other user IDs associated with Mr. DeLorme were blocked due to personal threats and abuse, auction manipulation, and a very large unpaid debt. Mr. DeLorme went so far as to attack me on my personal Facebook page which was unfortunately viewed by many of my own friends and family. Many people know the reputation that Mr. DeLorme carries in the hobby; no longer doing business with him has been a huge relief for our family.

Betsy Huigens

So, PWCC knew about Mr. DeLorme's multiple Ebay user IDs? You blocked his "main" user ID and other "associated" IDs with Mr. DeLorme. I thought Ebay only allowed one user ID? Did you turn him into Ebay and how many consigners does PWCC have that have/use multiple ebay user IDs?

Cortney, how many eBay IDs do you have and why?

If eBay allows one seller account and one buyer account then fine. I do not know Ebay rules and I do not sell in eBay.

[Republicaninmass]

Ebay does allow two

[PhillipAbbott79]

I have some questions that I think I know the answer to.

1. When listing in certain ways, it is possible to tell that someone put in a max bid that can be bid up to. I noticed this when my wife was selling some house hold items, that her Ipad would ding differently. Like 2 times or something like that. That is legit, I just don't remember the specifics or if it has changed.

When Brent said that I guarantee you will be outbid, how can he possibly guarantee that?

2. I do notice you telling him off about how to bid. Maybe some context is in order. That screen shot was the heart of it, but what is before and after that?

Can you please share the larger conversation, no matter how it may look upon you?

[Whodunit]

His 2 cents.....

[Whodunit]

Fyi

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Whodunit

Fyi

From that text you dont seem like you are agreeing to pay the 60k, when you said darlin you will get your 60k lmao...

but i do see you asking for an invoice as well on another text

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by Whodunit

His 2 cents.....

So CLEARLY Brent knew and didn't disclose it

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by gnaz01

So CLEARLY Brent knew and didn't disclose it

Dude did you also just realize the earth was round?

[PhillipAbbott79]

Can you please export the ENTIRE conversation? I would be more than willing to help you do this. I sent you a private message. Simply reply to that with your email address.

[Whodunit]

Originally Posted by PhillipAbbott79

Can you please export the ENTIRE conversation? I would be more than willing to help you do this. I sent you a private message. Simply reply to that with your email address.

The "entire conversation" goes back to 2012. This is about the dimaggio, current shill accusations and refuting the unpaid debt statement.

You sent me an iphone conversation conversion. When i do it on an android, the file is too large for upload. I however will print, scan, etc.

Brent, you might start setting up shop on how to defend youurself. Im not going to state or post pics of anything but facts. But, those facts are likely to lead to a deathly ill situation for you.

[Whodunit]

This makes the 4th time ive shown this David (vintagetoppsguy). What part of this confuses you?

[Whodunit]

Brent, at this point, Id hope youre in contact ith your attorney.

[Whodunit]

Someone just brought it to my attn that in a screenshot with brent, i referenced "JP" and made mention that it might be John Perez. Im not catching all these threads but have about 100 eyes watching them for me. The "JP" I was referencing in that shot is JP Cohen of Memory Lane. He is in no way involved, affiliated or associated with ANY of these dealings or comments. Neith Cohen or Perez have anything to do with this. Their hands are clean........Brent, however, washed his in muddy waters.

[Whodunit]

Go away David. Troll other waters.

[conor912]

Originally Posted by Whodunit

Someone just brought it to my attn that in a screenshot with brent, i referenced "JP" and made mention that it might be John Perez. Im not catching all these threads but have about 100 eyes watching them for me. The "JP" I was referencing in that shot is JP Cohen of Memory Lane. He is in no way involved, affiliated or associated with ANY of these dealings or comments. Neith Cohen or Perez have anything to do with this. Their hands are clean........Brent, however, washed his in muddy waters.

OK, fair enough.

Out of curiosity, though, do you know John Perez?

[PhillipAbbott79]

Originally Posted by Rookiemonster

I have read back and I don't see any details on the disciples and organized shilling. Just that you said it was going on . I see this topic has made its way to Blowout already to .

Can you please provide the link?