Mlb hof tracker

[Topps206]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

I would think it has to do with the fact that Pudge was FAR superior at his position than Bagwell was at his. I think it's easier to stick to your values when excluding a "borderline" HOFer than one of the best of all time, unless those "best" happen to be arrogant, miserable SOB's like Clemens and Bonds.

Are you sure about that? Bagwell is easily a Top 10 first baseman if all time. Maybe Top 5. If we're talking modern era he's even further up that.

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by Topps206

Are you sure about that? Bagwell is easily a Top 10 first baseman if all time. Maybe Top 5. If we're talking modern era he's even further up that.

Top 5:
Gehrig
Foxx
Brouthers
Pujols
Bagwell??

Jeff Bagwell was better than: Greenberg, Frank Thomas, Jim Thome, McCovey, Bill Terry, Johnny Mize, Eddie Murray, Rafael Palmeiro, Mark McGwire, Cap Anson? Or mostly-1B like Killebrew, Banks, Miggy, or Carew? Looks to me like he's barely in the top-5 of his own era, and that's only if you like him over McGwire and don't count Miggy.

Sorry, he's in the marginal-HOF tier, with Perez, Cepeda, Mattingly, and Hodges.

[Topps206]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Top 5:
Gehrig
Foxx
Brouthers
Pujols
Bagwell??

Jeff Bagwell was better than: Greenberg, Frank Thomas, Jim Thome, McCovey, Bill Terry, Johnny Mize, Eddie Murray, Rafael Palmeiro, Mark McGwire, Cap Anson? Or mostly-1B like Killebrew, Banks, Miggy, or Carew? Looks to me like he's barely in the top-5 of his own era, and that's only if you like him over McGwire and don't count Miggy.

Sorry, he's in the marginal-HOF tier, with Perez, Cepeda, Mattingly, and Hodges.

All time, I rank Bagwell seventh, behind Gehrig, Foxx, Anson, Pujols, Brouthers and Roger Connor. I'd put him above everyone else.

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by Topps206

All time, I rank Bagwell seventh, behind Gehrig, Foxx, Anson, Pujols, Brouthers and Roger Connor. I'd put him above everyone else.

What makes him better than Thomas, Murray, Cabrera, Terry, or Banks?

[Topps206]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

What makes him better than Thomas, Murray, Cabrera, Terry, or Banks?

I tend to think of Banks as a shortstop and Cabrera who played multiple positions. I would call Thomas the better hitter, Bagwell the better player. Bagwell was very valuable and terrific all around.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Topps206

All time, I rank Bagwell seventh, behind Gehrig, Foxx, Anson, Pujols, Brouthers and Roger Connor. I'd put him above everyone else.

I would put him below Greenberg and Mize who lost prime years to the war. Also, he is below Cabrera. That puts him 10th. IRod is only behind Bench and Berra, also Josh Gibson if we are including Negros Leaguers which you didn't with Bagwell.

[packs]

It feels pretty strange for someone to lump Roger Connors and Dan Brouthers with Albert Pujols or Miguel Cabrera. I guess you're looking at numbers or WAR or something but there's no way they stay on any list in the modern game.

[Topps206]

Originally Posted by packs

It feels pretty strange for someone to lump Roger Connors and Dan Brouthers with Albert Pujols or Miguel Cabrera. I guess you're looking at numbers or WAR or something but there's no way they stay on any list in the modern game.

Brouthers did some pretty remarkable stuff in his day.

[Topps206]

Originally Posted by rats60

I would put him below Greenberg and Mize who lost prime years to the war. Also, he is below Cabrera. That puts him 10th. IRod is only behind Bench and Berra, also Josh Gibson if we are including Negros Leaguers which you didn't with Bagwell.

I have reason to think Rodriguez juiced and therefore don't rank him.