Raines, Bagwell and IRod get the call

Runscott · #1 01-19-2017, 03:19 PM

All the great players get into the HOF. Most of the almost-great players eventually get in as well. Character is supposed to matter but 'attitude' has more of an impact, thus a few almost-greats do not make it, and a few less-than-almost-greats actually get in. I don't remember seeing 'longevity' in the list of HOF-worthy characteristics, but it also enables the almost-greats to get in.

As far as steroids go, John McGrath wrote a great op-ed for yesterday's Tacoma Tribune regarding Dale Murphy and Rule 5 of the voting. I think it's worth a read.

The fact that so many guys like Tim Raines, who have overcome some huge hurdles (many self-inflicted) are able to have a special moment like this, makes it okay to me that it is a 'Hall of Well Above Average' as opposed to a true HOF.

earlywynnfan · #2 01-19-2017, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Runscott

All the great players get into the HOF. Most of the almost-great players eventually get in as well. Character is supposed to matter but 'attitude' has more of an impact, thus a few almost-greats do not make it, and a few less-than-almost-greats actually get in. I don't remember seeing 'longevity' in the list of HOF-worthy characteristics, but it also enables the almost-greats to get in.

As far as steroids go, John McGrath wrote a great op-ed for yesterday's Tacoma Tribune regarding Dale Murphy and Rule 5 of the voting. I think it's worth a read.

The fact that so many guys like Tim Raines, who have overcome some huge hurdles (many self-inflicted) are able to have a special moment like this, makes it okay to me that it is a 'Hall of Well Above Average' as opposed to a true HOF.

Just commenting, there have been TONS of posts debating the steroids angle, but this is the only time someone even alluded to hardcore drug use from a candidate. I guess nobody cares?

Runscott · #3 01-19-2017, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Just commenting, there have been TONS of posts debating the steroids angle, but this is the only time someone even alluded to hardcore drug use from a candidate. I guess nobody cares?

Ken, I was trying to put a positive spin on it, but I believe you are right - nobody cares. Look at Michael Irvin - a cocaine-using embarrassment to the Dallas Cowboys, and yet he not only made the HOF, but shortly thereafter became a very popular commentator. A truly shining example for our youth. Same for a possible NFL murderer from Atlanta.

I don't have the knowledge to compare hardcore drugs to steroids with regard to their affects on performance, but apparently such drugs do not reflect 'character'... as long as the cash register is still ringing. The evidence would suggest that only wife-beating slows down the NFL money-flow (murder is okay as long as you are not convicted), while the MLB cash register is adversely affected by steroid use, gambling and sometimes temporarily by hard-core drugs.

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