Selig and Schuerholz Elected to HOF

[Peter_Spaeth]

And the difference between steroids and the amphetamines that were prevalent in the 60s is.....

[KMayUSA6060]

I really struggle with Selig getting in before Shoeless Joe and Rose.

We're talking about a commissioner that oversaw a strike in 1994 that severely damaged the popularity of baseball, turning the reigns over to football as the most popular sport. Then (and this is just my opinion) he allowed the cheating with roids to try and gain some of that popularity back, all the while lining his pockets with cash.

[jhs5120]

Selig undersaw the largest expansion in MLB history, the longest labor peace in the history of all American sports, he also helped open up Japanese players to the MLB and was able to be our scapegoat for the whole steroid thing. He deserves it.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Selig undersaw the largest expansion in MLB history, the longest labor peace in the history of all American sports, he also helped open up Japanese players to the MLB and was able to be our scapegoat for the whole steroid thing. He deserves it.

+1


and I'm actually okay with Rose, Bonds and Clemens going in...

the day after THEY DIE!

They should be afforded no better treatment than Ronnie Santo.


rs

[Exhibitman]

The problem with HOF voting for a commissioner is that when Bowie Kuhn was admitted the bar was set so low that any commissioner who wasn't fired for stealing the silverware from the executive dining room would be a reasonable selection.

[pclpads]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Selig undersaw the largest expansion in MLB history, the longest labor peace in the history of all American sports, he also helped open up Japanese players to the MLB and was able to be our scapegoat for the whole steroid thing. He deserves it.

[Boomer]

Bud Selig but no Buck O'Neil
What a shame

[bbcard1]

This does nothing to make the Hall of Fame more interesting or compelling for me.

[Econteachert205]

Bud Selig flew a plane on autopilot.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

And the difference between steroids and the amphetamines that were prevalent in the 60s is.....

I've always thought of it in terms of what the team gave players through its training and medical staffs versus what the players illegally acquired. To me the better analogy is the cocaine scandals of the late 1970s.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

And the difference between steroids and the amphetamines that were prevalent in the 60s is.....

I would say the crazy excuses people make for their heroes to took amphetamines(+steroids IMHO) back in the 60's and 70's. I had one guy tell me that taking amphetamines was like drinking a cup of coffee.

Steroids have been around for more than 100 years and have been in sports for just as long.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I would say the crazy excuses people make for their heroes to took amphetamines(+steroids IMHO) back in the 60's and 70's. I had one guy tell me that taking amphetamines was like drinking a cup of coffee.

Steroids have been around for more than 100 years and have been in sports for just as long.

Amphetamine. is stronger than coffee. About twice as strong as Ritalin, which was basically like 8 cups of coffee at a low dose. Neither would help my hitting much, sadly something I can prove at a the local batting cage. (Doesn't help with running or throwing either, I'm still really slow.)

It's not clear how common steroids were in sports before about the 70's And I think they weren't common in baseball then. Bodybuilding/wrestling/weightlifting yes.

Amphetamines were big in cycling postwar as well as a bunch of other stuff. Pre-war there was a lot of misguided stuff going on. Cigarettes were considered performance enhancing as the "opened up the lungs" And earlier they'd take stuff like low doses of strychnine.

Things were more relaxed early on. In the 1930 Tour de France rule book riders were reminded that "drugs will not be provided by the organizers"

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

And the difference between steroids and the amphetamines that were prevalent in the 60s is.....

You can buy steroids (Sort of, but they'll still get you banned in most sports) From GNC. Amphetamines? probably not.

Steve B

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by steve B

You can buy steroids (Sort of, but they'll still get you banned in most sports) From GNC. Amphetamines? probably not.

Steve B

If you are comparing the the crap you buy at GNC to real steroids you just need to walk over a few isles and look at their energy section. In your comparison it would be the same as amphetamines. Most of that stuff will also make you fail a drug test in most sports. Some will also make you fail a urine drug test for work.

[Bigdaddy]

I just threw up a little in my mouth.. Bud never addressed an issue until it became a public problem and he had no other way out.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by bnorth

If you are comparing the the crap you buy at GNC to real steroids you just need to walk over a few isles and look at their energy section. In your comparison it would be the same as amphetamines. Most of that stuff will also make you fail a drug test in most sports. Some will also make you fail a urine drug test for work.

Yep, I always laughed when there would be some news about baseball not testing for stuff with overwrought opinions about it being cheating even of they didn't have any rules. Then they'd break for commercial and the first one was usually for "Al Weiders anabolic mass formula "

It's dishonest and ruining the game (Not very far off base there) Bulk up with this stuff that's probably banned by every sport except baseball! Geeeeezz.....really?!

I think the stuff McGwire admitted to was available at GNC, probably not as potent, but the same stuff. And probably just the tip of the iceberg for him.

Steve B

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by steve B

Yep, I always laughed when there would be some news about baseball not testing for stuff with overwrought opinions about it being cheating even of they didn't have any rules. Then they'd break for commercial and the first one was usually for "Al Weiders anabolic mass formula "

It's dishonest and ruining the game (Not very far off base there) Bulk up with this stuff that's probably banned by every sport except baseball! Geeeeezz.....really?!

I think the stuff McGwire admitted to was available at GNC, probably not as potent, but the same stuff. And probably just the tip of the iceberg for him.

Steve B

To keep this a little on topic I will say putting Selig in and keeping IMHO the best pitcher in the history of the game Roger Clemens out is a travesty.

Steve I agree completely. McGwire had Androstenedione in his locker and I also believe it was just the tip of the iceberg with him. I know I stood beside him in 1999 and am 6' tall and was a very roided out 220 lbs of solid muscle and he made me look like a skinny little kid.

[steve B]

The biggest problem I have with Selig is that he was a really weak commissioner. Lousy decision on a long and tied AS game, silly rule developed after, no leverage used to get a CBA that put any teeth into the rules about PEDs, pretty much waffled until the money changed directions and went with the flow.