T210 Population Question

[Piratedogcardshows]

Total guess/each player total pop

Series
1 30
2 40-50
3 20 Red 5-8 Orange
4 10
5 30
6 10-15
7 10-15
8 2-10

Of course in each Series there are cards that are less abundant for one reason or another.

[RCMcKenzie]

Jason, I was just using the SGC pops as a relative guide. I agree that there are many T210 that are ungraded. To the OP's question, Joe Jackson is not a particularly rare T210... Here are 3 different series of Jimmy Hart with the SGC pops
T210-8--4
T211----4
T213-1--2

[trdcrdkid]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

I agree that there are many T210 that are ungraded.

I have 64 T210s, all ungraded.

[RCMcKenzie]

Originally Posted by trdcrdkid

I have 64 T210s, all ungraded.

David, Nice! that's a lot of T210's. Did you double-check to see if any of them are Joe Jackson? ha-ha. I have about 25 and I guess about 5 or 6 are ungraded. The longer ago I got them, the more likely they are ungraded. It's getting more and more unlikely to find ungraded cards for sale. Here are a couple more New Orleans t210-8's

[IMAXMAX]

really enjoying this thread,,,
must admit that I'm a bit shocked by the low pop estimates suggested,,,,(though I've had my own difficulties with this set, assembling a Jacksonville team)
Hyames is supposedly one of the toughest cards of the set---any idea of a pop number for him?

[Vintagecatcher]

Hoping to get a T210-6 Thoss to complete my run of T210 catchers wearing chest protectors.

Patrick

[NiceDocter]

Them thar chest protectors looks more like a dadblamed apron to me sonny.

[trdcrdkid]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

David, Nice! that's a lot of T210's. Did you double-check to see if any of them are Joe Jackson? ha-ha.

Ha! Yeah, no luck there. But I do have Ivy Wingo, who had a good career in the majors and is in demand by Black Sox collectors as a member of the 1919 Reds. In fact, I used to have two of them, a nice one and a beater, and I sold the nice one to a board member who wanted it a lot more than I did.

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

I have about 25 and I guess about 5 or 6 are ungraded. The longer ago I got them, the more likely they are ungraded. It's getting more and more unlikely to find ungraded cards for sale.

Almost all of mine were bought 15-25 years ago, first from ads in SCD and then on eBay. I have gotten a few on the BST here in the past couple of years, including one that I traded for another of my doubles that a board member needed.

[bocca001]

I've also been trying to put together the T210-3 Houston and Galveston team sets. Here's a quick picture of the Houston cards. Most of these came from two sets of purchases (several cards for sale at once), with someone else clearly breaking a set. I've been looking for 3 or 4 yeats and it seems rare for a random single from these two teams to come up.

Jason also tells me that the T210-3 cards that can come with an orange boarder can be tougher to obtain (more bidding competition) because there are several people trying to have parallel red and orange subsets.

I only need a T210-3 Burch to complete the Houston team.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Jason

Total guess/each player total pop

Series
1 30
2 40-50
3 20 Red 5-8 Orange
4 10
5 30
6 10-15
7 10-15
8 2-10

Of course in each Series there are cards that are less abundant for one reason or another.

I would have guessed(wrongly) way more than those #'s. Thanks for the info Jason as you know way more than I do about these great little cards.

Thanks for the pics of all the beautiful cards everyone.

I have 44 T210's at this time. I like to touch my cards and am responsible for around 15 being cracked out of their plastic prison.

[DixieBaseball]

We have discussed this a few times in the past (Search Series 8 T210 / T211 and it should be buried on here somewhere) I have collected T210 and T211 for over 15 years. Specifically Series 8 Tennessee (Chattanooga, Memphis, Nashville) have been a part of my passion among other Southern teams. I believe scarcity is there in pockets and we all can see it differently from outside factors like the time frame we actually collect them, and what specifically comes available to market. Also, if you buy some large groups it can make some cards appear easier than others. Based on my collecting experience of acquiring the Series 8 near set one by one over a decade while also assembling the T211 set 1 by 1 (I did buy some very small groups of cards), I contend that the T210 Series 8 Cards that you can't find a parallel to in the T211 set are the toughest due to them being released at a later date as indicated by the T211 "Series 1 of 75". I have noticed a recurring trend with the 39 cards in Series 8 which are not available in the T211 set. They simply don't come up as often as the other 75 cards do. It's easy to figure out what are the toughest 39 cards as well. Simply look at the T211 set, and see which Series 8 cards are not in it. Chattanooga is unquestionably the toughest team to assemble as well as large part of Memphis & Birmingham, but some of the other Southern Teams have a few players not in Series 1 T211, so they are equally as tough as the Chattanooga/Memphis/Birmingham players. There is a consensus among collectors of T211 there was going to be a 2nd series since the back of the card indicates "Series 1 of 75" on it. Joe Jackson isn't in T211, thus making his card much more difficult. (It's part of that 39 card group) Not sure how it all went down, and perhaps there were going to be even more T210-8 cards. Instead of 114, perhaps 150. Either way, 2 things I know from collecting these... 39 of the 114 are extremely rare. the remaining 75 are very scarce in my opinion which makes them reasonably tough as well, but good luck trying to assemble the whole Chatt, Memphis, B'Ham team. It took me 10-12 years, best I recall. I gave up the ghost on the T211 set after getting into the 60's as well, falling just short of the set. So much fun to collect, and I kept a few of my favorites... Will post a few - Hope this long winded posts makes sense. Apologies up front for the ramble. - Pic added for Andy - Happy Holidays everyone!

[DixieBaseball]

I wanted to comment on Joe Jackson. I think we all get lulled into thinking this card is not rare by how often it comes up for sale and flashed and marketed in front of our eyes constantly. (quarterly in some auction). I would ask anyone to tell me their definition of Rare. 10 or less? 15 or less? 20 or less? Joe is in that mix somewhere... Obviously, his card has been looked for the most out of the T210's, so most are unearthed and probably a very few still left buried in a group of T210's somewhere, meaning most/majority are accounted for... So how many Joe's are there on Population reports of PSA/SGC?

Here's a few pics of some of my favorite Memphis players for Nick...

[tbob]

For several years I have attempted to collect the entire T210 set (minus Joe Jax and Stengel) and I believe I will never finish, but it's been both interesting and fun to collect the red bordered cards. There are series which are tough (obviously) and then scarcities among the cards in the tough series. Series 2 was a snap, there are a couple of cards in Series 1 which NEVER pop up for sale and 3 is not too bad except if, like me, you go after the orange border cards which are only in Series 3. Series 5 is doable but then comes the problem. About half of the Series 8 cards are obtainable but the other half have proven to be very difficult, like the Memphis cards. 6 and 7 are tough but I have been fighting through those scarcities. Series 4 may be the least known tough series. There are some cards in that series which seemingly never are offered for sale.
2016 was a good year for me although I bought arguably the toughest card in Series 1, one which I had never seen offered before, Al Lee of Macon. There is another Lee in Series 1, Jack Lee of Jacksonville. The seller accidentally sent me the common fair condition Jack Lee and sent the tough vgex Al Lee to the guy who won the Jack Lee, by mistake. The guy who got my card refused to return it to the seller (hopefully you are reading this so you know I know who you are), so I am still searching for Al Lee if anyone out there has one. He told the seller he immediately sent it to TPG for slabbing so it is obvious he knew he had been the beneficiary of the mistake. 99% of collectors on this Board would have done the "right thing" but I guess he is a "1%er."
Sorry for the rant.....
tbob

[seablaster]

There's definitely some solid information in this thread. In regard to the population of particular cards and difficulties of the different series, I think we can only speculate.

Having collected this set for a few years myself, I contend that the most difficult T210 card is the one you're currently searching for.

[mybuddyinc]

Finishing Series 1 is tougher than it is deemed. I found, overall, Jacksonville was a tad tougher than other teams. But, as TBob says, there are some real toughies out there. However, never really knew Lee, Macon was one (added him to my five top toughs). BTW, that's brutally sad "Lee" situation, stinks....

My Tough Ones (and maybe reasons why):

Viola -- Same player as misspelled T206 Violat. Maybe the T206 connection, or him being one of the earliest Latin players. I "think" he is THE toughest.
Schwietzka -- Don't know. Maybe the same reason he is one of my favorites: Great name and pose.
Manion and Lipe: Same, possible T206 (T211 ?) connection.
"Oyster Joe" Martina -- Rookie card of a player with long (20+ years) minor league experience, and "odd" late career appearance with World Champion 1924 Senators.
Lee, Macon -- ??????

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It is a great set to pursue. Yeah, 610 isn't terribly realistic. BUT, you can collect them any way you want --- team, series, region, etc........

Fun stuff, Scott

[wnp22]

Originally Posted by DixieBaseball

I wanted to comment on Joe Jackson. I think we all get lulled into thinking this card is not rare by how often it comes up for sale and flashed and marketed in front of our eyes constantly. (quarterly in some auction). I would ask anyone to tell me their definition of Rare. 10 or less? 15 or less? 20 or less? Joe is in that mix somewhere... Obviously, his card has been looked for the most out of the T210's, so most are unearthed and probably a very few still left buried in a group of T210's somewhere, meaning most/majority are accounted for... So how many Joe's are there on Population reports of PSA/SGC?

Here's a few pics of some of my favorite Memphis players for Nick...

Wow, great stuff. Thanks for posting the scans! Fingers crossed that one day I can finish off the Memphis set.

[Beansballcardblog]

Thanks to everyone that cmooneted on this thread. I’ve decided that I want to collect some of these and there’s not much info out there. This is the best source of info that I’ve found yet!

[oldjudge]

A few years ago I knew if three complete T210 sets and several near completion. I'd say that all cards have at least ten copies.