OMG: Jose Fernandez Killed in Boating Accident

[1952boyntoncollector]

If you were the parents of the other 2 victims on that boat and they were against naming a school after him they may beg to differ

In addition thus far the bad driving actions may be a result of being a fight with a girlfriend and worse yet maybe alcohol involved


Basically if Roberto Clemente was operating the plane in 1973 and the crash killed 2 passengers and was as a result of pilot error, i dont think his legacy would even be one half of what it is today.

[packs]

I don't think that's true. Processing a death is not as black and white as you're making it out to be. There are many emotions that trump blame when it comes to the early death of a beloved person in the community.

[Peter_Spaeth]

This is all premature, and indeed the lawyer said he is awaiting the results of the investigation. At this point there is no basis even to speculate.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

This is all premature, and indeed the lawyer said he is awaiting the results of the investigation. At this point there is no basis even to speculate.

right, thats why i said

"We are a long way away in terms of proof and such, but if there is significant evidence....."

i do think it is also premature to celebrate the guy (ie. name schools after him) given that theres at least a chance right now he is responsible for killing two people.

He is beloved in the community as was stated in this thread, i just think the beloved level may go down depending the results of the wrongful death case etc

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Basically if Roberto Clemente was operating the plane in 1973 and the crash killed 2 passengers and was as a result of pilot error, i dont think his legacy would even be one half of what it is today.

Sooooo.... Thurman Munson?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Sooooo.... Thurman Munson?

munson did not kill anyone other than himself, now Oscar Taveres killied someone likely while being drunk but since the accident did not occur in the united states, there were no lawsuits here which would of impacted his legacy more. I just find it hard to honor anyone that is responsible for killing someone no matter their exploits on the playing field.

[packs]

I think you're losing sight of what's important. The things Fernandez did for children and people in his community don't get erased because of the circumstances of his death. Naming something after him for his charity work or work within his communities is not a vote of support for any type of behavior you're insinuating contributed to his death or the deaths of the people on the boat. We name our schools after much worse people.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

I think you're losing sight of what's important. The things Fernandez did for children and people in his community don't get erased because of the circumstances of his death. Naming something after him for his charity work or work within his communities is not a vote of support for any type of behavior you're insinuating contributed to his death or the deaths of the people on the boat. We name our schools after much worse people.

I havent seen any schools named after someone whos last act in life was killing someone and being completely at fault (correct me if i am wrong). You can kill someone a year earlier or some other time earlier, i guess but if its your last act you do in life, its a tough pill to swallow, especially for the family of the victims.

There could be a 20 million dollar judgment against Jose Fernandez that is pending as his heirs try to hide money from the plaintiffs going on while they are naming schools after him. Good grief.

Again its too early to tell fault but thats true about a lot of things.

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

I just find it hard to honor anyone that is responsible for killing someone no matter their exploits on the playing field.

Accidents happen. If you want to focus on the last 20 seconds of a man's life while others focus on the remaining 24 years, then that is your right.

The only thing separating Thurman Munson and Jose Fernandez is a little bit of dumb luck. Munson seriously injured two passengers and could very well have killed them - yet no one complains about the literal monument dedicated to him at Yankee Stadium. Most of us see the good in people, and virtually everyone can agree, Jose Fernandez was one of our best.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Accidents happen. If you want to focus on the last 20 seconds of a man's life while others focus on the remaining 24 years, then that is your right.

The only thing separating Thurman Munson and Jose Fernandez is a little bit of dumb luck. Munson seriously injured two passengers and could very well have killed them - yet no one complains about the literal monument dedicated to him at Yankee Stadium. Most of us see the good in people, and virtually everyone can agree, Jose Fernandez was one of our best.

Agree with this.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Accidents happen. If you want to focus on the last 20 seconds of a man's life while others focus on the remaining 24 years, then that is your right.

The only thing separating Thurman Munson and Jose Fernandez is a little bit of dumb luck. Munson seriously injured two passengers and could very well have killed them - yet no one complains about the literal monument dedicated to him at Yankee Stadium. Most of us see the good in people, and virtually everyone can agree, Jose Fernandez was one of our best.

luck impacts a legacy no doubt if those passengers with Munson did DIE, that would of impacted his legacy. 5 seconds in a persons life can change it forever even if that person lived a great life for 80 years. What you did in those last 20 seconds of your life usually doesnt impact the view of the persons whole life unless something huge happened like killing 2 people.

accidents do happen but they are preventable as well. You have to be responsible for your actions. Some drunk (not saying this is the case) can also cause an accident but you would not tolerate that person saying 'accidents happen' Saying 'accidents happen' does not relieve you of responsibility. What if you killed 20 kids and it was entirely at fault. So if killing 2 adults in the last seconds in your life isnt enough to prevent your name on a school how about 10 people? how about 30 people? To me every life is valuable, if its not good to kill 30 people then its not good to kill 1.

History tends to judge people on what they did at the worse which is probably less than .0001% of what they did the rest of their life thats how it goes.

We all have the lowest moments in our lives, the key during that time is not to be killed or kill someone. What is sad is killing someone is the only thing that is unforgivable because you cant ask for forgiveness from someone you killed.

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

History tends to judge people on what they did at the worse which is probably less than .0001% of what they did the rest of their life thats how it goes.

History is forgiving of accidents. They do not represent a person at their worst, they represent a person as a human being. It is especially callous to judge a person by the mistake that cost him his life.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

History is forgiving of accidents. They do not represent a person at their worst, they represent a person as a human being. It is especially callous to judge a person by the mistake that cost him his life.

Well here we go with luck again. If the person didnt die that caused the accident, but 2 people died, then it would not be especially callous for history to judge that person. The fact of whether that person lived or died should not factor into that equation if there are 2 other victims that died because of that person's actions. I still have not heard of an example of someone in history that been forgiven for killing an innocent person as their final act to a point where they would name a school after them.

I know donte stallworth paid a large sum of money for killing someone in miami and he has made it a point in his life to be a good person and expand his knowledge etc. However he has said on the radio that he paid the family even though he could of won in court or something to that effect so maybe he was not civilly at fault and it wasnt his last act in his life.