OMG: Jose Fernandez Killed in Boating Accident

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Sooooo.... Thurman Munson?

munson did not kill anyone other than himself, now Oscar Taveres killied someone likely while being drunk but since the accident did not occur in the united states, there were no lawsuits here which would of impacted his legacy more. I just find it hard to honor anyone that is responsible for killing someone no matter their exploits on the playing field.

[packs]

I think you're losing sight of what's important. The things Fernandez did for children and people in his community don't get erased because of the circumstances of his death. Naming something after him for his charity work or work within his communities is not a vote of support for any type of behavior you're insinuating contributed to his death or the deaths of the people on the boat. We name our schools after much worse people.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

I think you're losing sight of what's important. The things Fernandez did for children and people in his community don't get erased because of the circumstances of his death. Naming something after him for his charity work or work within his communities is not a vote of support for any type of behavior you're insinuating contributed to his death or the deaths of the people on the boat. We name our schools after much worse people.

I havent seen any schools named after someone whos last act in life was killing someone and being completely at fault (correct me if i am wrong). You can kill someone a year earlier or some other time earlier, i guess but if its your last act you do in life, its a tough pill to swallow, especially for the family of the victims.

There could be a 20 million dollar judgment against Jose Fernandez that is pending as his heirs try to hide money from the plaintiffs going on while they are naming schools after him. Good grief.

Again its too early to tell fault but thats true about a lot of things.

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

I just find it hard to honor anyone that is responsible for killing someone no matter their exploits on the playing field.

Accidents happen. If you want to focus on the last 20 seconds of a man's life while others focus on the remaining 24 years, then that is your right.

The only thing separating Thurman Munson and Jose Fernandez is a little bit of dumb luck. Munson seriously injured two passengers and could very well have killed them - yet no one complains about the literal monument dedicated to him at Yankee Stadium. Most of us see the good in people, and virtually everyone can agree, Jose Fernandez was one of our best.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Accidents happen. If you want to focus on the last 20 seconds of a man's life while others focus on the remaining 24 years, then that is your right.

The only thing separating Thurman Munson and Jose Fernandez is a little bit of dumb luck. Munson seriously injured two passengers and could very well have killed them - yet no one complains about the literal monument dedicated to him at Yankee Stadium. Most of us see the good in people, and virtually everyone can agree, Jose Fernandez was one of our best.

Agree with this.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Accidents happen. If you want to focus on the last 20 seconds of a man's life while others focus on the remaining 24 years, then that is your right.

The only thing separating Thurman Munson and Jose Fernandez is a little bit of dumb luck. Munson seriously injured two passengers and could very well have killed them - yet no one complains about the literal monument dedicated to him at Yankee Stadium. Most of us see the good in people, and virtually everyone can agree, Jose Fernandez was one of our best.

luck impacts a legacy no doubt if those passengers with Munson did DIE, that would of impacted his legacy. 5 seconds in a persons life can change it forever even if that person lived a great life for 80 years. What you did in those last 20 seconds of your life usually doesnt impact the view of the persons whole life unless something huge happened like killing 2 people.

accidents do happen but they are preventable as well. You have to be responsible for your actions. Some drunk (not saying this is the case) can also cause an accident but you would not tolerate that person saying 'accidents happen' Saying 'accidents happen' does not relieve you of responsibility. What if you killed 20 kids and it was entirely at fault. So if killing 2 adults in the last seconds in your life isnt enough to prevent your name on a school how about 10 people? how about 30 people? To me every life is valuable, if its not good to kill 30 people then its not good to kill 1.

History tends to judge people on what they did at the worse which is probably less than .0001% of what they did the rest of their life thats how it goes.

We all have the lowest moments in our lives, the key during that time is not to be killed or kill someone. What is sad is killing someone is the only thing that is unforgivable because you cant ask for forgiveness from someone you killed.

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

History tends to judge people on what they did at the worse which is probably less than .0001% of what they did the rest of their life thats how it goes.

History is forgiving of accidents. They do not represent a person at their worst, they represent a person as a human being. It is especially callous to judge a person by the mistake that cost him his life.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

History is forgiving of accidents. They do not represent a person at their worst, they represent a person as a human being. It is especially callous to judge a person by the mistake that cost him his life.

Well here we go with luck again. If the person didnt die that caused the accident, but 2 people died, then it would not be especially callous for history to judge that person. The fact of whether that person lived or died should not factor into that equation if there are 2 other victims that died because of that person's actions. I still have not heard of an example of someone in history that been forgiven for killing an innocent person as their final act to a point where they would name a school after them.

I know donte stallworth paid a large sum of money for killing someone in miami and he has made it a point in his life to be a good person and expand his knowledge etc. However he has said on the radio that he paid the family even though he could of won in court or something to that effect so maybe he was not civilly at fault and it wasnt his last act in his life.

[jhs5120]

Laura Bush killed a 17 year old boy and has several schools, libraries and scholarships named after her.

Howard Hughes killed a woman and was given the Congressional Gold Medal three years later he also has a school named after him.

Ted Kennedy also killed someone. He has an honorary Knighthood, the Presidential Medal of Freedom and a cancer research institute named after him.

Matthew Broderick killed two people and still gets movies.

There are also countless local teachers, students and athletes who die in car crashes every year who are honored posthumously with scholarships named after them. It is something very few people (except perhaps you) take issue with.

[Snapolit1]

Agree. Let's judge someone for the full measure of their life and not by the worst 60 seconds of it. There is a difference between negligent and evil (e.g., OJ Simpson, Mel Hall, the football player who went around the country date raping women, etc.) I am sure all of us have done very very stupid things in our lives. Like driving home after a few too many drinks. There by the grace of God go I (or something like that. Need to ask my mother on the exact wording.)

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Laura Bush killed a 17 year old boy and has several schools, libraries and scholarships named after her.

Howard Hughes killed a woman and was given the Congressional Gold Medal three years later he also has a school named after him.

Ted Kennedy also killed someone. He has an honorary Knighthood, the Presidential Medal of Freedom and a cancer research institute named after him.

Matthew Broderick killed two people and still gets movies.

There are also countless local teachers, students and athletes who die in car crashes every year who are honored posthumously with scholarships named after them. It is something very few people (except perhaps you) take issue with.

Laura Bush was barely 17 and a minor and zero drinking involved and of course wasnt the last act she had on the earth. If it was a 17 year old baseball player involved in a similar accident there would also be more understanding

Ted Kennedy issue was a major scandal but he is a political elite which meant even more in the 1960s then today. Again he didnt die in that accident. If he did he would not have had all those extra years of public service. His legacy would of been far different if he didnt have a chance to tell the world what he said happened in the accident etc.

You got me on Broderick though, you make a good point with him, though he didnt die in the accident.. However its one thing to be in movies and another to be have public schools named after you. Afterall he is an actor, and i along with everyone else would not care of jose fernandez survived the accident and continued to play baseball which is is livelihood. Lots of players have been involved in killings with much more intent than a car accident and continued to play.

Its one thing to play ball and another to be considered national hero.

All of those teachers/students/athetes who die in car accidents and have scholarships named after them more likely than not did not kill anyone else let alone 2 people.


I know i was very saddened to hear about the loss of Jose Fernandez. Its an immense loss all around.