What do you consider rare post war

[ALR-bishop]

I am not aware of any hobby recognized definition of those two terms but tend to agree with Val. As you said there was a recent thread on this. Post war post 80 is complicated by intentionally produced rare cards. For Topps post war pre 80 I would put these in the rare category

1955 Stamps
1961 Dice
1966 Punchnouts ( not 67)
1967 and 1968 Discs
1970 Cloth
1971 Rookie Artists Proofs
1972 Candy Lids
1980 Coins

Might add these
1967 Stand Ups
1968 3D ( not all subjects, but some)
1955 and 1956 baseball Hocus Focus ( if not all, some subjects)

[sflayank]

everything is rarer than topps and bowman regular issues
the pop report is meaningless on other issues

[brian1961]

Originally Posted by sflayank

everything is rarer than topps and bowman regular issues
the pop report is meaningless on other issues

I wholeheartedly agree with your first sentence. The second sentence is balderdash, unless one realizes the very rare world you often hunt for. The pop report is a fine guage for most of the prominent and important regional / food issues of the immediate post-war. Not so for many of the exceedingly obscure items you delight in, for which many of us have never seen, nor heard of. My, you must wrack your brain frequently over how to procure these groundhogs. How does one get word to still-living dinosaurs and their descendants that you want X and this is what X looks like, and I am willing to pay you this much $ for them? As much as you do not wish to make the last part of the scenario known, showing the color of your money will be what gets their attention to study the first part, expressing what you are in the market for.

The time is ticking down for those still-living who might have saved their Comiskey Park tickets with the picture of a White Sox player.

Time for me to stop pondering the matter. --Brian Powell

[ALR-bishop]

Look at the bright side Larry, you may be senseless but you are apparently not a lard head like some poor guy on CU

[sflayank]

Pop report IS COMPLETELY MEANINGLESS
On regionals....probably less than 5% of esskay briggs hunters etc r in the pop..only the true collector knows which certain cards in those sets are much rarer than the others...the pop is a waste of time for regionals and test issues...tells the collector absolutely nothing

[brian1961]

Originally Posted by sflayank

Pop report IS COMPLETELY MEANINGLESS
On regionals....probably less than 5% of esskay briggs hunters etc r in the pop..only the true collector knows which certain cards in those sets are much rarer than the others...the pop is a waste of time for regionals and test issues...tells the collector absolutely nothing

Larry, if we were to converse at length on the matter, I'm sure you're dead on right. I was coming from the standpoint that with most of the classic regionals, the pop report is a good guage to determine relative rarity. I was thinking in terms of Glendales, Wilsons, Dan-Dees, Kellogg's 3-Ds, Salada Coins, Stahl-Meyers, Morrells, Bell Brands, Dormand Post Cards, Bazookas, Post Cereal, etc.

However, with the examples you provide, that's an entirely different proposition because of one thing. The prime common denoninator with the cards you mentioned, Esskay, Briggs, and Hunter's Wieners, is the fact that all of them are hand-cut cards. It is probably unwise to get one's hopes up very high with PSA grading them, because I really think they don't have a good handle on how to grade them, numerically. Then again, most children didn't have a good handle on that matter of cutting the card off the product package, either, as I wrote in my book. True, I included Bazookas and Post Cereal, both hand-cut card issues, in my list. The difference with those two brands was that the manufacturer kindly provided a clear cut defined dashed line where the cards were to be cut off the package.

Sadly, most collectors equate "Authentic" with genuine worthlessness, which, depending on the issue, IS INDEED BALDERDASH! Years after we're gone, a card or small find of the three you mention will show up at the doors of the various auction houses. All that to say a substantial number of them have not been submitted to PSA or SGC because the owners felt it was a waste of time, money, and effort to only get back "AUTHENTIC" cards in return. ---Brian Powell

[brian1961]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Look at the bright side Larry, you may be senseless but you are apparently not a lard head like some poor guy on CU

Yeah, for sure.

[ALR-bishop]

I do not know if it is useful or useless since I have never used it...or seen it