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Old 09-11-2016, 06:25 PM
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Fair argument, but he also had a 28-6 season. I think any pitcher that wins 40 games in one season should be enshrined, just my thoughts...
I am not saying that is an invalid argument, but if you make that one, you would certainly have to say that any hitter who hit 61 home runs one season and won an MVP another should certainly be a hall of famer....
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I am not saying that is an invalid argument, but if you make that one, you would certainly have to say that any hitter who hit 61 home runs one season and won an MVP another should certainly be a hall of famer....
indeed, one great year doth not a HOF career make, nor two or three. It takes a body of work that puts one in the upper echelon of all players in the history of the game.
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I am a former history major so I do not mind using the hall of fame to tell the games history. Therefore inducting players for a variety of reasons. I have no problem with any that are in and not to speak for Kevin but (to answer the previous post) I for one don't think the hall would be diminished one iota if Maris were left in.
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Tinker and Marquard.
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I am a former history major so I do not mind using the hall of fame to tell the games history. Therefore inducting players for a variety of reasons. I have no problem with any that are in and not to speak for Kevin but (to answer the previous post) I for one don't think the hall would be diminished one iota if Maris were left in.
not tryin to start an argument, but guys like Maris who had a big impact on the history of the game (even though they didn't have HOF careers) ARE at the Hall. Their accomplishments are listed, game used stuff is there, so their contributions are noted. There's a lot of people who's impact in the game are credited at the HOF even tho they weren't career HOF players.
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Roger Maris

Won two MVP awards.

Hit 61 home runs in one season.

That's all. Literally nothing else qualifies him for Cooperstown.
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Roger Maris

Won two MVP awards.

Hit 61 home runs in one season.

That's all. Literally nothing else qualifies him for Cooperstown.
7 X All Star

3 x world champion

Was good enough the last year of his career to start on a world championship team.

It's not an injustice he's not in, but it's not equitable in comparison with some people who are.
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He should be in for his contributions to baseball, same as Curt Flood. The career statistics are secondary.
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He should be in for his contributions to baseball, same as Curt Flood. The career statistics are secondary.
My dark horse candidate under the "contributions to baseball: banner is Bill White, though his rather forgettable name will hurt him.
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Barney Dreyfuss is in for his contributions to baseball, but even though his contributions were major in terms of parks and the World Series, no one knows his name. I would say Maris and Flood's contributions to the modern game will always be remembered, along with their names.
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I'm taking a slightly different approach. I pulled out the names and created tiers. I did not rank within a tier, the names are random in each tier...I guess I was left with a lot of names towards the bottom, but it's hard to say from there who shouldn't be a HOFer...This isn't anything super scientific, and I did not refer to any websites or their statistics as I did these lists...just pure gut of 25 years of collecting T206, and learning about the players during that time.


Ty Cobb
Honus Wagner
Christy Mathewson
Walter Johnson
Cy Young


Tris Speaker
Nap Lajoie
Eddie Plank
John McGraw (Managerial)
Willie Keeler
Eddie Collins


Hugh Duffy
Rube Waddell
Zack Wheat
Mordecai Brown
Addie Joss
Sam Crawford


Rube Marquard
Iron Man McGinnity
Home Run Baker
Ed Walsh
Vic Willis
Frank Chance
Jack Chesbro
Chief Bender


Jake Beckley
Roger Bresnahan
Fred Clarke
Jimmy Collins
George Davis
Johnny Evers
Elmer Flick
Clark Griffith
Miller Huggins
Hughie Jennings
Joe Kelley
Joe Tinker
Bobby Wallace

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Roger Maris

Won two MVP awards.

Hit 61 home runs in one season.

That's all. Literally nothing else qualifies him for Cooperstown.
Ahh you forgot to add that he played for one of the "Golden" teams:

Yankees
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