Who is the LEAST deserving player in the HOF in the T206 set

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by bbcard1

I thought the most deserving player from the T206 set was a lively and interesting debate. I don't think the T206 set has nearly as many undeserving players (percentage wise) in the HOF than say the Goudey set but there are a few.

My pick would be Chesboro. He did have a 40 win season, but that was more than 20% of his career total wins (less than 200). He did win more than 20 five times, but that was not an uncommon occurrence in those days. His career was relatively short and he had nearly as many losing seasons as winning one.

I know Marquard is a popular pick. but he's certainly not alone. Most of us are older and "deep" baseball fans. We have been influenced by the old "Legends of Baseball" books that presented Elmer Flick as if he were Tony Gwynn.

For you brain staters, here is a list of HOF players in the T206 set.

Home Run Baker
Jake Beckley
Chief Bender
Roger Bresnahan
Mordecai Brown
Frank Chance
Jack Chesbro
Fred Clarke
Ty Cobb
Eddie Collins
Jimmy Collins
Sam Crawford
George Davis
Hugh Duffy
Johnny Evers
Elmer Flick
Clark Griffith
Miller Huggins
Hughie Jennings
Walter Johnson
Addie Joss
Willie Keeler
Joe Kelley
Nap Lajoie
Rube Marquard
Christy Mathewson
Iron Man McGinnity
John McGraw (Portrait With Cap)
Eddie Plank
Tris Speaker
Joe Tinker
Rube Waddell
Honus Wagner
Bobby Wallace
Ed Walsh
Zack Wheat
Vic Willis
Cy Young

Fair argument, but he also had a 28-6 season. I think any pitcher that wins 40 games in one season should be enshrined, just my thoughts...

[RCMcKenzie]

I'm okay with the whole list being in the HOF, but for the sake of argument, Miller Huggins

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

I'm okay with the whole list being in the HOF, but for the sake of argument, Miller Huggins

Huggins is in more for managing than playing.


I think it's Rube Marquard by a fair margin. He was an avg pitcher,

[bbcard1]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Fair argument, but he also had a 28-6 season. I think any pitcher that wins 40 games in one season should be enshrined, just my thoughts...

I am not saying that is an invalid argument, but if you make that one, you would certainly have to say that any hitter who hit 61 home runs one season and won an MVP another should certainly be a hall of famer....

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by bbcard1

I am not saying that is an invalid argument, but if you make that one, you would certainly have to say that any hitter who hit 61 home runs one season and won an MVP another should certainly be a hall of famer....

indeed, one great year doth not a HOF career make, nor two or three. It takes a body of work that puts one in the upper echelon of all players in the history of the game.

[glynparson]

I am a former history major so I do not mind using the hall of fame to tell the games history. Therefore inducting players for a variety of reasons. I have no problem with any that are in and not to speak for Kevin but (to answer the previous post) I for one don't think the hall would be diminished one iota if Maris were left in.

[Beatles Guy]

Tinker and Marquard.

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by glynparson

I am a former history major so I do not mind using the hall of fame to tell the games history. Therefore inducting players for a variety of reasons. I have no problem with any that are in and not to speak for Kevin but (to answer the previous post) I for one don't think the hall would be diminished one iota if Maris were left in.

not tryin to start an argument, but guys like Maris who had a big impact on the history of the game (even though they didn't have HOF careers) ARE at the Hall. Their accomplishments are listed, game used stuff is there, so their contributions are noted. There's a lot of people who's impact in the game are credited at the HOF even tho they weren't career HOF players.

[Topps206]

Roger Maris

Won two MVP awards.

Hit 61 home runs in one season.

That's all. Literally nothing else qualifies him for Cooperstown.

[bbcard1]

Originally Posted by Topps206

Roger Maris

Won two MVP awards.

Hit 61 home runs in one season.

That's all. Literally nothing else qualifies him for Cooperstown.

7 X All Star

3 x world champion

Was good enough the last year of his career to start on a world championship team.

It's not an injustice he's not in, but it's not equitable in comparison with some people who are.

[packs]

He should be in for his contributions to baseball, same as Curt Flood. The career statistics are secondary.

[bbcard1]

Originally Posted by packs

He should be in for his contributions to baseball, same as Curt Flood. The career statistics are secondary.

My dark horse candidate under the "contributions to baseball: banner is Bill White, though his rather forgettable name will hurt him.

[packs]

Barney Dreyfuss is in for his contributions to baseball, but even though his contributions were major in terms of parks and the World Series, no one knows his name. I would say Maris and Flood's contributions to the modern game will always be remembered, along with their names.

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by Topps206

Roger Maris

Won two MVP awards.

Hit 61 home runs in one season.

That's all. Literally nothing else qualifies him for Cooperstown.

Ahh you forgot to add that he played for one of the "Golden" teams:

Yankees
Red Sox