Graig Kreindler's Chief Bender painting - All Hail the Chief!

[T206Jim]

Darron, thanks for the note about the sweater color, I saw that and will follow up with reproduction company.

David, your post with the October 25, 1911 NYT coverage is very enlightening, perhaps even more so than you thought. Chief Bender did pitch and win Game 4 on October 24th in Shibe Park. The Bender cropped shot of my photo attributes it to American Press Association. Of particular relevance is the back of my Type 1 photo showing a period American Press Association stamp.

Bender-sweater-back-crop.jpg

Here is the enlarged cropped shot of Bender as well as the adjoining Game 4 action shot also attributed to American Press Association.

NYT-10-25-1911-Bender-crop.jpg NYT-10-25-1911---game-action.jpg

I checked the NYT for all "day after" recaps of each of the six World Series games. It was a similar format for each day and predominately displays day of game photos attributed to American Press Association.

At the very least we can say the Bender photo was taken no later than October 25, 1911. While it may have been a file photo, I believe there is a distinct possibility my photo was taken October 24th on the day he pitched and was contemporaneous with the other game action photos the American Press Association provided to the NYT for use.

A couple of great tips, keep them coming!

[MuddyMules]

I don't know if it will help, but I found this link that talks about the different sweaters. I didn't read it all and thought I would just post it for you.

www.uni-watch.com/2010/11/10/sweater-weather/

Also, I found the below image while searching, which actually took me to the above link. Here is a link to the photo: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4131/...d32aa131_o.jpg

And then there is this, which does show some colors, but not of your photo: http://origin-sp.global.ralphlauren....baseball.aspx?

Here's an artists rendition of the colors: http://fineartamerica.com/featured/1...e-dininno.html

And my guess on the ribbon tied to the button.......it is not a ribbon, but a frayed string tied to a pencil that he kept in the sweater, which is causing the line to appear in the sweater above the elephant.

Good luck in your quest.

Ted

[MuddyMules]

Also, with the 1910 Championship being shown in blue, my guess is that it matched the colors of the sweaters and hat lines.

https://vintages-antiques-collectibl...-collectibles/

[MVSNYC]

I had a little bit of time, and thought I'd try to help...

Found this colored drawing online...might help, as it seems like the artist had some prior knowledge of the color being Blue.

http://fineartamerica.com/featured/1...e-dininno.html

More info pointing towards Blue...

http://www.sportslogos.net/logos/lis...hia_Athletics/

http://www.sportslogos.net/logos/vie...ame-Worn_Photo

Scroll down, actual sweater on right in showcase (dark Blue?)

https://philadelphiatale.wordpress.c...ics-a-history/

[JustinD]

I think the dark blue is the most likely color based on the evidence.

Also, those are unquestionably the same sweater in all photos...unquestionably.

The ribbon does seem to be securing something in the sweater. As to what? No idea.

[FourStrikes]

Jim (T206Jim):

wish I could contribute something (anything?) technical-wise, but...my personal knowledge in those respects is historically - and severely - limited.

looking forward to seeing the photo "Kreindlerized" - the finished product I'm sure will be awesome, and the progressive updates, of course, are appreciated by many of us as well.

awesome photo - great choice.

DS

[T206Jim]

Thanks for all the contributions, they are very helpful.

Here is a cropped version of a 1911 "Champions" bi-fold postcard which was likely taken just after the end of the 1911 A.L. season, based on a postmark of 10-24-11 which was before the World Series was over (discussed on another thread here). It appears he is wearing the same sweater but buttoned up and without the ribbon. Interesting to note here and in "coming onto the field" shot shown above how haphazard the elephant locations are on the sweaters.

AL-Champs-postcard.jpg