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[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by Leon

He will probably be let back soon if he wants to come back.... As soon as I can get that disgusting picture out of my head.

And Sean B., you told me some time ago the board needed to change. Well, just like I told you then, it's not changing. It's staying the course. This wasn't a bad decision on my part (suspension, at minimum) and the direction of the board is the same direction from day 1 (of my tenure).
What Bob did was unacceptable, at least on this board, and if anyone doesn't think so then that is their opinion and I disagree. One other comment, I don't think Bob is a bad guy, don't dislike him and I trust him. That doesn't change my feelings on what he did though.

I agree with a suspension and explanation for that so he understands what he did wrong, but the term ban was used. There are a lot of people on this board who are a pain in the ass, that's not appropriate for banning - especially when he ships what you buy and pays for what he buys. I am trying to be impartial here.

[Stonepony]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

Bob should not be banned and it is absurdity to see him banned. A negative direction for the board to ban people for a bad joke. I've never had anything but positive interactions with him.

Originally Posted by Sean1125

I agree with a suspension and explanation for that so he understands what he did wrong, but the term ban was used. There are a lot of people on this board who are a pain in the ass, that's not appropriate for banning - especially when he ships what you buy and pays for what he buys. I am trying to be impartial here.

I don't really see the impartiality here in your statements. I'm sure this will blow over soon. The post happened to strike a cord and I don't think anyone truly thinks it's a reflection of Bob's character or integrity. It was a big goof and I'm sure he'll be back contributing to the board very soon.

[sushihotwings]

The photo is in bad taste. Fine. Not appropriate for these boards. Fine. I am a cat lover with three shelter cats and don't find it funny at all. What bothers me the most is that in the cat thread it was mentioned that Bob MAY have or is being accused of selling a stolen card which I for one have a VERY hard time believing. If that kind of accusation is being made I think all the accusations should be made public and Bob should be able to defend himself. If there is no truth to the accusation than that statement raising suspicion should be rescinded. Reputation is everything in this business. Also Jason said Bob went nuts or something like that after he refused to sell him a card. Bring the details to light. Don't throw Bob under the bus, make terrible accusations without any details and then ban him so he cannot respond. That is my issue.
David Lamont

[Leon]

You could have quit after your very first sentence. The reason that card issue was private was because I didn't have firsthand knowledge and, if there WAS an issue, I was trying to help Bob by telling him to just deal with it quietly and quickly, as I would anyone who "might" have made a mistake or had some kind of issue. But it was private for reason. If I recall correctly, I was told the card was reported stolen but then Bob had it. Bob disputed that, the other member didn't want to get into it, so I let it go. The card was posted on the board at one time, for some reason, or I wouldn't have even discussed it at all.
Then Bob put that in his tagline to antagonize me and I was just letting it go.... (your name is by your post, thanks)

Originally Posted by sushihotwings

The photo is in bad taste. Fine. Not appropriate for these boards. Fine. I am a cat lover with three shelter cats and don't find it funny at all. What bothers me the most is that in the cat thread it was mentioned that Bob MAY have or is being accused of selling a stolen card which I for one have a VERY hard time believing. If that kind of accusation is being made I think all the accusations should be made public and Bob should be able to defend himself. If there is no truth to the accusation than that statement raising suspicion should be rescinded. Reputation is everything in this business. Also Jason said Bob went nuts or something like that after he refused to sell him a card. Bring the details to light. Don't throw Bob under the bus, make terrible accusations without any details and then ban him so he cannot respond. That is my issue.
David Lamont

[sushihotwings]

Leon, I don't know. I guess if it all seems so vague regarding this lost or stolen card why bring it up at all is what I am saying unless someone wants to press forward with hard facts. The mere appearance of impropriety can stick and tarnish reputations. I do know that Bob would not bother with trying to steal a signed golf card, but let's hear it out or say there is no truth to it. By the way Leon, thanks for creating a fantastic board. I am trying to learn all I can from so much knowledge here on pre war card experts. I collect post war basketball football hockey only at this time but I am trying to expand my collecting interests to Prewar which I don't know a lot about but trying to learn all the time. I don't post much in this section because I don't have much important to say right now.
David Lamont

[Leon]

THere was NO APPEARANCE TO START WITH. All messages were PMs or emails.
It was supposed to be private. There was NO appearance until BOB and YOU posted it publicly. None, nadda....get it? It was private. No ones reputation was tarnished. And I didn't say he tried to steal a card, I have no idea and wasn't there. And no, I don't think he would try to steal a card but according to the other member, as already stated, it was lost or reported stolen and then shown on the board (*as if owned). YOU are the one mentioning it and saying it publicly. I didn't create the board but you are welcome for it being here....

Originally Posted by sushihotwings

Leon, I don't know. I guess if it all seems so vague regarding this lost or stolen card why bring it up at all is what I am saying unless someone wants to press forward with hard facts. The mere appearance of impropriety can stick and tarnish reputations. I do know that Bob would not bother with trying to steal a signed golf card, but let's hear it out or say there is no truth to it. By the way Leon, thanks for creating a fantastic board. I am trying to learn all I can from so much knowledge here on pre war card experts. I collect post war basketball football hockey only at this time but I am trying to expand my collecting interests to Prewar which I don't know a lot about but trying to learn all the time. I don't post much in this section because I don't have much important to say right now.

[sushihotwings]

The first time I saw it was in the cat picture thread and it was not by me. If it was mentioned earlier I missed it. The first time I made any mention of it on this forum or anywhere was just now, in this thread, about 10 minutes ago. Apparently there has been no resolution or desire to bring charges any further so why bring it up again yesterday without anyone willing to back it up or desire to carry through on it? I only brought it up because it was previously mentioned like there may or may not be truth to it. Well if there is truth, set it free and let Bob respond or never bring it up again. That is what I am saying. From what I understand Leon you are vouching or willing to give your friend the benefit of the doubt which is fine. I would too. Same thing with Jason calling Bob "nuts" Let Bob respond if he wants. But he can't now being banned. But if the person with the lost or stolen or otherwise golf card doesn't want to take it up why bring it up again again yesterday in the cat thread?I have never mentioned it until this morning. If there is more to it lets hear it. Otherwise Bob deserves a chance to respond to a mention again yesterday about it (not by me)
David Lamont

[ALR-bishop]

I know nothing about the golf card but Leon did not surface it in the Cat thread, someone else brought it up first.

[Leon]

You are making assumptions. I said I knew the guy 15-17 yrs so yes, that was insinuating I believed him. But I didn't accuse Bob of anything, only if there was an issue it should be taken care of. IF that issue was a mistake on the other guys part, he should have cleared it up with the other guy. This was all being done privately, no reputation being supposedly tarnished.
I brought it up because members asked about it and why the suspension. Well, antagonizing me, or anyone all around the board, is one reason but not usually a very good one. I take that day in and day out and it's usually not a big deal. But that is why it was brought up. I found the old PMs, just now, and everything I have said I have verified. I am done answering questions.

Originally Posted by sushihotwings

The first time I saw it was in the cat picture thread and it was not by me. If it was mentioned earlier I missed it. The first time I made any mention of it on this forum or anywhere was just now, in this thread, about 10 minutes ago. Apparently there has been no resolution or desire to bring charges any further so why bring it up again yesterday without anyone willing to back it up or desire to carry through on it? I only brought it up because it was previously mentioned like there may or may not be truth to it. Well if there is truth, set it free and let Bob respond or never bring it up again. That is what I am saying. From what I understand Leon you are vouching or willing to give your friend the benefit of the doubt which is fine. I would too. Same thing with Jason calling Bob "nuts" Let Bob respond if he wants. But he can't now being banned. But if the person with the lost or stolen or otherwise golf card doesn't want to take it up why bring it up again again yesterday in the cat thread?I have never mentioned it until this morning. If there is more to it lets hear it. Otherwise Bob deserves a chance to respond to a mention again yesterday about it (not by me)
David Lamont

[whitehse]

Geez point taken.....can we all move on now. (Not directed at Leon)