Begsu1013 A good man

[Leon]

It will continue exactly the way it has the last 14 yrs. thanks

ps...Bob was un-suspended this morning.

Originally Posted by Buythatcard

Moving forward, if this forum stuck to baseball cards we wouldn't run into these issues.

Some bad decisions were made but its too late to do anything about them. Let's try and move forward and use this forum for what it was intended for.

There are many people on Facebook who would love to hear about your cats, horses, dogs, wives, etc. Lets discuss cards here.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Leon

It will continue exactly the way it has the last 14 yrs. thanks

ps...Bob was un-suspended this morning.

See....a two day suspension is nothing. PSA suspended me for a year because some members thought it funny to call my job to try and get me fired. Talk about placing blame on the victim!! Since I was "upsetting' some of the members that were attacking me, they got rid of me instead of the ones doing the attacking! ROTFLMAO! The year has long since come and gone, but I have no desire to post on a forum whose company treats people like that.

In a nutshell, this is the best baseball card forum on the net!! To get banned from THIS forum, you really have to screw up!! Leon let's all kinds of stuff slide. People are people. Personalities are personalities. He gets that.

[ramram]

I just went to that cat thread for the first time and caught the gist of it. Yeah, probably was in poor taste but I guess he did make some amends by donating to the ASPCA. Personally, I think everybody is getting a bit to sensitive. I'm surprised with everybody's responses that there is any comedians still in the business cuz 90% of them have that kind of humor in their act. Bill Cosby was one of the few that did not but, then again, .....

Rob M

[begsu1013]

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[buymycards]

All right! A kitten wearing Green Bay Packers colors. Awesome.

[TNP777]

Originally Posted by buymycards

All right! A kitten wearing Green Bay Packers colors. Awesome.

If I was a Bears fan, I might be tempted to call that abuse. At the very least I would be highly offended.

I kid, of course.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

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I'm glad this thing played out nicely. Bob is a solid guy in the hobby and should be on this board.....

[bobbyw8469]

A lot of the PSA members that cause trouble have totally ruined that board. I hope to god they don't do the same over here. Welcome back Bob.

[MULLINS5]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

See....a two day suspension is nothing. PSA suspended me for a year because some members thought it funny to call my job to try and get me fired. Talk about placing blame on the victim!! Since I was "upsetting' some of the members that were attacking me, they got rid of me instead of the ones doing the attacking! ROTFLMAO! The year has long since come and gone, but I have no desire to post on a forum whose company treats people like that.

Around 2008 a CU member (or members) made several complaints into my work. I don't know who did it (I have my suspicions) but I know for a fact they came from CU members because that was the only online forum I belonged to and the complaints came from disgruntled customers by the names of "Conner Fette" "Gretskee" et cetera. This was during a time when a small group of members there were harassing me for offering a few counterfeit (I naively thought reprint) Gretzky rookies on the BST forums that I picked-up as a kid at the Gibralter show in Michigan sometime in 1996. A novice mistake that I have, many times, again and again, apologized for.

Fast-forward to recent times. There was a forum by the name of "Cardboard Talk" where just about anything would go. This was a place, mainly, for CU banned members to ridicule members of the collecting community. The language they would use was absolutely terrible. They took shots at people's family members and shared images off facebook pages to make fun. In all seriousness, you'd be shocked at the kind of things that took place there. The cat image Bob posted is nothing compared to what took place there. Several of these people have replied in this thread.

It was on that forum that a member gave advice on how to get a CU member banned (to get them to threaten you in a PM). Shortly thereafter a CU member did just that to Bobby which led to him getting banned.

And now I just found out that one of these members PM'd someone on this forum telling them there is a rumor that I am the one that called Bobby's work to try to get him fired. This kind of behavior is unacceptable and has no place here or on CU.

[CMIZ5290]

Patrick- So give specifics. You have made some accusations so who exactly are you talking about? This almost seems like elementary school, not professional like... Kevin Mize

[MULLINS5]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Patrick- So give specifics. You have made some accusations so who exactly are you talking about? Kevin Mize

Kevin, if it is OK with Leon, I will share names. Otherwise, I'd like to just help validate that what Bobby posted is accurate.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by MULLINS5

Kevin, if it is OK with Leon, I will share names. Otherwise, I'd like to just help validate that what Bobby posted is accurate.

I understand, fair enough...

[Leon]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

I understand, fair enough...

While there is no rule against members naming names, if their own name is by their post, I would just as soon not hash out CU, or other venue, issues here. I won't say not to....but would prefer to stay to most stuff pertaining to what goes on here. I would also prefer more card related threads but such is life. Happy collecting...

[TNP777]

As a former CBT member and someone who had the keys to the place for a short time, I may as well chime in.

First, let me 100% emphatically got on the record with this: calling someone at work or home over disagreements or personality conflicts on a message board is 100% a scumbag move. I for one would never consider doing that to someone. I spoke with Bobby about this exact thing, and he and I are good on that. I said this to Bobby privately, and Patrick, I will say this to you publicly: I am sorry you had to endure that. It's not funny, it's not cool, it's disgusting.

Now for CBT. Briefly, it was made up almost exclusively of people who wanted and were allowed the freedom to speak their minds, colorful real-world language and all. Some were banned CU members, but hardly most. Several more had at one time or another been banned/suspended, but had been allowed back on the site. I was one of those (because of things I said to/about BBG). People and topics were discussed just like they are in the real world, and the discussion wasn't always flattering.

I'll leave it at that. CBT was there, and now it's not - that's probably a good thing. It served a purpose for a time, and it was an outlet to speak freely about a wide range of topics. The vast majority of those topics were benign, but obviously some weren't.

[MULLINS5]

Originally Posted by TNP777

As a former CBT member and someone who had the keys to the place for a short time, I may as well chime in.

First, let me 100% emphatically got on the record with this: calling someone at work or home over disagreements or personality conflicts on a message board is 100% a scumbag move. I for one would never consider doing that to someone. I spoke with Bobby about this exact thing, and he and I are good on that. I said this to Bobby privately, and Patrick, I will say this to you publicly: I am sorry you had to endure that. It's not funny, it's not cool, it's disgusting.

Now for CBT. Briefly, it was made up almost exclusively of people who wanted and were allowed the freedom to speak their minds, colorful real-world language and all. Some were banned CU members, but hardly most. Several more had at one time or another been banned/suspended, but had been allowed back on the site. I was one of those (because of things I said to/about BBG). People and topics were discussed just like they are in the real world, and the discussion wasn't always flattering.

I'll leave it at that. CBT was there, and now it's not - that's probably a good thing. It served a purpose for a time, and it was an outlet to speak freely about a wide range of topics. The vast majority of those topics were benign, but obviously some weren't.

I specifically remember a thread where yankeeno7 took a photo from Bobby's facebook page, edited it, and posted it for laughs. If my memory is correct you went to his page, too, and commented on an old mullet picture. It was in that same thread that Bobby's workplace was revealed and shortly after that someone supposedly called Bobby's workplace.

Topics on that site were not discussed like they are in the real world (at least I certainly hope not). As a mod you let way too much go and that speaks to your character. At least Leon put his foot down on the cat picture, but you couldn't do the same on so many posts, especially ones where mentally challenged people were mocked.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Patrick- So give specifics. You have made some accusations so who exactly are you talking about? This almost seems like elementary school, not professional like... Kevin Mize

I thought the exact same thing Kevin. It seems so grade school, with some of the crap that was pulled. They hardly acted like any adults. I'm almost 50 years old. I don't have time for the crap.

[irv]

I have not looked at Begsu's post, nor do I want to being a cat/animal fan.

I will say however, these threads must stop and desist or I fear it will happen what happened to another forum I belonged to.

One guy who ran a sled site (snowmobile) got sick of all the moderation it required to run it. He had to ban people, stick up for people, appease the contributing members, etc, etc, etc.

When he got tired of that he sold the site and started another sled site, only this site had zero rules/moderation. He thought it could/would self moderate thinking that most people would have a degree of respect/decency for each other and keep personal attacks on family, jobs, etc, etc, out of posts.

Long story short, it didn't work, (big surprise!) and he has now sold that site and is no longer running any site that I am aware of?

What I am trying to say is, running one of these sites like, Leon's Net54, is not easy. (I was a moderator on a somewhat open/unmoderated atv site) It takes a lot of work and is time consuming, let alone having to deal with certain personalities, constant PM's, updates, upgrades, problems and of course trying to gain/retain contributing/paying advertising members to help pay for things.

I belong to a few other card sites but this is the one I frequent 99.9% of the time, so in saying that, I think we all need to be careful what we say and do on here, how we treat each other and especially how we treat, Leon, or like the sled sites I mentioned above, one day, Leon is going to say, enough of this sh*t, I am out of here!