Help solve argument with Greg- botn

[bnorth]

I agree that posting a past sale is the same as posting VCP(whatever that is). All I know for sure is you(Jake) post a lot about past sales prices and for some strange reason think everybody should tell you about their trades/deals.

Did that help? Did I win a prize?

[1952boyntoncollector]

i dont care about their past sales/trades, where did you get that from.

I just know that you said i cite VCP frequently in my sales listings and called me me liar when i said i dont. Posting a lone sale to me isnt citing VCP..lets see what others think, no need to attack me on pms..you can just post them here which i assume you wont be attacking me or making stuff up if everyone can see it... you wont ever see me ever quoting VCP on any sale i ever made, yet you say i do it frequently.

then you said posting a past sale is the same thing as posting VCP when you couldnt find any examples.....i just think your logic is wrong

all i know the last time you posted VCP you were 70k off a few days ago on the mantle psa 5...i havent posted a lone sale and been 70k off yet..

[1952boyntoncollector]

Greg- i not going to pm with you . i told you that alrady ..anything you write i will just post here.. 12:43 pm 7/8/16

I just love your auction listings where you are willing to sell a card in the same grade for 5% less than what PWCC gets. HOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOH


--not sure what you mean...but keep pming away! have fun!

[pokerplyr80]

The 52 Mantle you are referencing is not a fair comparison. VCP is off by 70k because they haven't added a 125k transaction for a dead centered PSA 5 ebay sale.

I don't have a problem with you mentioning what a previous card sold for in your listings. It's information I would look up any way before making an offer. The distinction between a previous sale or VCP data or averages is not worth fighting about in my opinion, but to answer your question I don't remember you mentioning VCP in your listings.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

The 52 Mantle you are referencing is not a fair comparison. VCP is off by 70k because they haven't added a 125k transaction for a dead centered PSA 5 ebay sale.

I don't have a problem with you mentioning what a previous card sold for in your listings. It's information I would look up any way before making an offer. The distinction between a previous sale or VCP data or averages is not worth fighting about in my opinion, but to answer your question I don't remember you mentioning VCP in your listings.

right it not his fault he was off, i not saying that. I just saying that when i quote past sales i dont ever risk an issue of posting what VCP is and them missing a sale whether it be 5 dollars or 70k. He says i quote VCP all the time and said im a liar when i denied that... He said posting a past sale is the same thing as VCP, i contend he is wrong...and he keeps sending me harassing pms saying im a liar and other things he wont pm again because ill just list them here

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

i dont care about their past sales/trades, where did you get that from.

This thread YOU started is why I call BS on your above statement. http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=224574

You ask about a specific type of trade. I say I have done that exact type of trade with several members. Then another member comes on and says he has made those trades with me and others. You then completely dismiss those posts because YOU did not know about them.LOL

I think this thread you also started might be along the same lines. I'm not 100% sure what it is about besides people sending you a description of sales they completed but not with you. http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=224648

Jake if you quit responding to Greg the argument will be over. It is really that easy.

[packs]

All VCP does is list a sale price. So there is no difference between a VCP sale price and you looking at the end of an auction and reporting a sale price. The information is the same. This argument is asinine because you're essentially saying "I looked out the window and saw the sky was blue" instead of "A website told me the sky was blue".

[Republicaninmass]

you ALWAYS throw out the high and low outliers...and average the middle

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

All VCP does is list a sale price. So there is no difference between a VCP sale price and you looking at the end of an auction and reporting a sale price. The information is the same. This argument is asinine because you're essentially saying "I looked out the window and saw the sky was blue" instead of "A website told me the sky was blue".

the mantle 52 was not in the the sky, however so apparently the sky is not always blue....also isnt VCP an average price...easy to to say VCP, but pointing to the lowest price or highest price and say that VCP, i thought VCP is the average pricing not just one price, maybe im wrong..

can say i used a past sale but to say VCP in capital letters again means to me a vcp average, one member already said he doesnt remember me ever quoting VCP but does remember me quoting a past sale so theres probably something to distinguish there

[packs]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

the mantle 52 was not in the the sky, however so apparently the sky is not always blue....also isnt VCP an average price...easy to to say VCP, but pointing to the lowest price or highest price and say that VCP, i thought VCP is the average pricing not just one price, maybe im wrong..

can say i used a past sale but to say VCP in capital letters again means to me a vcp average, one member already said he doesnt remember me ever quoting VCP but does remember me quoting a past sale so theres probably something to distinguish there

So if I'm reading correctly you have no idea what VCP even is or what it does? Then what is the point of this? VCP is a resource to give you past sales prices, just as Google is a resource for information. If I post a link to a website and you post a link you found through Google search, those are the same things. So if you post a sale price and the sale price is also listed on VCP, those are the same things.

VCP will give an average of a single card in a single grade taking into account all past sales. But it also gives single sales of single cards in singles grades, or in other words, the same exact thing searching for Sold Listings on eBay does.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

So if I'm reading correctly you have no idea what VCP even is or what it does? Then what is the point of this? VCP is a resource to give you past sales prices, just as Google is a resource for information. If I post a link to a website and you post a link you found through Google search, those are the same things. So if you post a sale price and the sale price is also listed on VCP, those are the same things.

VCP will give an average of a single card in a single grade taking into account all past sales. But it also gives single sales of single cards in singles grades, or in other words, the same exact thing searching for Sold Listings on eBay does.

So in the next listing if someone says 'vcp' is $600, we are to assume they are talking about a single grade on a card that is plentiful...or we to assume when they say 'vcp' is: more than one past sale but more of a vcp average. Im told im a liar and that i always quote VCP.

greg says i routinely quote VCP, so that means quoting one past sale is the same thing? we are talking about cards where there are many sales of them..

he says im a liar because i always quote VCP.... have i ever quoted VCP even once on any listing?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bnorth

This thread YOU started is why I call BS on your above statement. http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=224574

You ask about a specific type of trade. I say I have done that exact type of trade with several members. Then another member comes on and says he has made those trades with me and others. You then completely dismiss those posts because YOU did not know about them.LOL

I think this thread you also started might be along the same lines. I'm not 100% sure what it is about besides people sending you a description of sales they completed but not with you. http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=224648

Jake if you quit responding to Greg the argument will be over. It is really that easy.

no idea what any of this has to do about you saying i always use VCP on my sales, man your thoughts are very confusing..


all know you sent me harassing emails that YOU (edited now to be Greg it was not bnorth) initiated and you have stopped ever since i said that i would post them here, so mission accomplished.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

no idea what any of this has to do about you saying i always use VCP on my sales, man your thoughts are very confusing..


all know you sent me harassing emails that YOU initiated and you have stopped ever since i said that i would post them here, so mission accomplished.

WTF are you high? I have never sent you a harassing email ever.

EDIT: I think Jake is very confused, LOL yes I know but I mean way more than normal. He must think I am BOTN(Greg).LOL what a maroon.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bnorth

WTF are you high? I have never sent you a harassing email ever.

EDIT: I think Jake is very confused, LOL yes I know but I mean way more than normal. He must think I am BOTN(Greg).LOL what a maroon.

thats true....two BOTNs, sorry for that.... you just always say negative things on my posts, plus your arguments here have nothing to do with the point of the thread. It great that you like to name call, good job there

but again, no more pms/emails from greg so this thread accomplished that...worked real fast too....

[packs]

Quoting a price for a completed auction and having someone say you quoted VCP for the price of a completed auction is the same thing because they're the same price for the same auction. Why does it offend you that someone thinks you got your information from VCP rather than some Google search? In each case the information is the same.