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[JustinD]

Originally Posted by botn

People have been mistrusting PSA slabs for a long time and it has not hurt the registry or prices...it is that concept of something being too big to fail, I guess. In spite of all of their issues I would take a PSA graded card over a Beckett graded card every time. When I see a vintage card in a Beckett holder I immediately start looking for the alteration.

Not trying to get in a back and forth, but like Leon I find their grading more standard than PSA. I can lay 3 PSA cards with the same midgrade next to each other and they will often look nothing alike. The Becketts will often stay fairly steady.

As for alterations, I have seen many people send a card that BVG or SGC deemed altered given a number by PSA. They all have slip ups and I don't believe that BVG is any worse than the one company that holdered the most famous trimmed card in the world. I don't pledge allegiance to any of them but I like the BVG case for security, that's the main plus to me.

I agree, PSA absolutely sells for a premium and if I was a seller I would use it for the return. However, I am a collector and really enjoy getting what I like at a better price because some stock broker who just wants a card for his desk pays 4x average sale for a brand he recognized more.

[botn]

Originally Posted by JustinD

Not trying to get in a back and forth, but like Leon I find their grading more standard than PSA. I can lay 3 PSA cards with the same midgrade next to each other and they will often look nothing alike. The Becketts will often stay fairly steady.

As for alterations, I have seen many people send a card that BVG or SGC deemed altered given a number by PSA. They all have slip ups and I don't believe that BVG is any worse than the one company that holdered the most famous trimmed card in the world. I don't pledge allegiance to any of them but I like the BVG case for security, that's the main plus to me.

I agree, PSA absolutely sells for a premium and if I was a seller I would use it for the return. However, I am a collector and really enjoy getting what I like at a better price because some stock broker who just wants a card for his desk pays 4x average sale for a brand he recognized more.

Hey Justin,

From a security standpoint, Beckett's holder far surpasses any holder ever designed however as much as I would love to see a third party grader challenge the stranglehold PSA has on the hobby, it is not going to be Beckett. I am glad you are happy with their grading. I have seen far too many cards over the years that have had obvious problems or were not graded very accurately. If I am going to have to settle with an over graded card or one that was graded and should not have been, I would rather that card be in a PSA holder.

[toledo_mudhen]

Originally Posted by botn

Hey Justin,

From a security standpoint, Beckett's holder far surpasses any holder ever designed however as much as I would love to see a third party grader challenge the stranglehold PSA has on the hobby, it is not going to be Beckett. I am glad you are happy with their grading. I have seen far too many cards over the years that have had obvious problems or were not graded very accurately. If I am going to have to settle with an over graded card or one that was graded and should not have been, I would rather that card be in a PSA holder.

On the card below -

No Signs of Tampering
Beckett got nothin cept - Yea we dont know

[rp12367]

I cracked a low grade card out of a BVG case yesterday. Nearly lost a eye 👀 case seemed practically bullet proof. I remember reading that someone's collection got lost in Hurricane Katrina and the only cards that weren't water damaged were the ones in Beckett slabs. Fraction of the price on vintage and seem to be the preferred with modern collectors esp NBA stuff.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by rp12367

I cracked a low grade card out of a BVG case yesterday. Nearly lost a eye 👀 case seemed practically bullet proof. I remember reading that someone's collection got lost in Hurricane Katrina and the only cards that weren't water damaged were the ones in Beckett slabs. Fraction of the price on vintage and seem to be the preferred with modern collectors esp NBA stuff.

It still amazes me that Beckett isnt the leader when i first came back to the hobby. Beckett was the authority and the only name I even recognzied. They must of dropped the ball early on as they were positioned very easily to be the leader in third party grading due to the name recognition already and reliance on their publications by all the card collectors......the story of how PSA swooped in and took most of the market share must be an interesting one...

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

It still amazes me that Beckett isnt the leader when i first came back to the hobby. Beckett was the authority and the only name I even recognzied. They must of dropped the ball early on as they were positioned very easily to be the leader in third party grading due to the name recognition already and reliance on their publications by all the card collectors......the story of how PSA swooped in and took most of the market share must be an interesting one...

I don't think PSA swooped in so much as BVG never really established itself as a major competitor.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I don't think PSA swooped in so much as BVG never really established itself as a major competitor.

PSA started out as an authenticator. Beckett started out as a price guide.