Clayton Kershaw

[chaddurbin]

i love pedro, i mean LOVE...still hurts today that he was traded from the dodgers for delino deshields, but i don't know if he juiced or not. i mean half the guys were cheating, his homeboys manny and ortiz was juicing. i wouldn't blame him if he did to level the playing field. he was dominant in that era, i wouldn't use the argument he was more dominant than kershaw because he was clean pitching against roided players...we never know.

to me it's a toss up right now with the clear nod to pedro, but kershaw still has 2-3 more prime years barring injuries to further cement his legacy. as is he's already better than koufax imo and already a hof'er.

[KCRfan1]

I'll take Kershaw over Pedro. As a lefty, most hitters ( righties ) should hit him and they don't. As a righty, Pedro had the better match-ups in terms of righty / righty, than Kershaw will ever have as a lefty / righty. Kershaw has had to be that much better imo.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

i love pedro, i mean LOVE...still hurts today that he was traded from the dodgers for delino deshields, but i don't know if he juiced or not. i mean half the guys were cheating, his homeboys manny and ortiz was juicing. i wouldn't blame him if he did to level the playing field. he was dominant in that era, i wouldn't use the argument he was more dominant than kershaw because he was clean pitching against roided players...we never know.

to me it's a toss up right now with the clear nod to pedro, but kershaw still has 2-3 more prime years barring injuries to further cement his legacy. as is he's already better than koufax imo and already a hof'er.

Look out for lightning bolts!

The difference in workload alone should keep all such comparisons holstered.

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

i love pedro, i mean LOVE...still hurts today that he was traded from the dodgers for delino deshields, but i don't know if he juiced or not. i mean half the guys were cheating, his homeboys manny and ortiz was juicing. i wouldn't blame him if he did to level the playing field. he was dominant in that era, i wouldn't use the argument he was more dominant than kershaw because he was clean pitching against roided players...we never know.

to me it's a toss up right now with the clear nod to pedro, but kershaw still has 2-3 more prime years barring injuries to further cement his legacy. as is he's already better than koufax imo and already a hof'er.

Kershaw is all of 28. He likely has a lot more than 2-3 more prime years.

[chaddurbin]

kershaw just made his 250th start. a dodgers site just compared that to koufax's first 250 (on 06/1965...he only pitched for another season and a half):

koufax: 119-71, 2.96 ERA, 1,692 innings, 159 home runs, 622 walks, 1,746 strikeouts
kershaw: 119-57, 2.40 ERA, 1,670 innings, 100 home runs, 468 walks, 1,815 strikeouts

kind of amazing their innings pitched were similar even tho kershaw plays in the relief specialists era.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

kershaw just made his 250th start. a dodgers site just compared that to koufax's first 250 (on 06/1965...he only pitched for another season and a half):

koufax: 119-71, 2.96 ERA, 1,692 innings, 159 home runs, 622 walks, 1,746 strikeouts
kershaw: 119-57, 2.40 ERA, 1,670 innings, 100 home runs, 468 walks, 1,815 strikeouts

kind of amazing their innings pitched were similar even tho kershaw plays in the relief specialists era.

Good, but flawed research, Chad. I'm sure you meant Koufax's LAST 250 games.

I stand by my conviction that Koufax was better...and I absolutely will not 'pay any attention to the man behind the curtain'.

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Good, but flawed research, Chad. I'm sure you meant Koufax's LAST 250 games.

I stand by my conviction that Koufax was better...and I absolutely will not 'pay any attention to the man behind the curtain'.

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Koufax's LAST 250 he was probably 250-0. Those are almost certainly his first 250.

[chaddurbin]

mmm yea reading is hard, and certainly you would want koufax's LAST 250 starts to compare to anybody's. koufax had to retire after his age 30-season. i'm willing to bet barring injury after kershaw's age 30 year i would take his 5-year stretch over any of sandy's.

of course legends are made in the postseasons, and koufax is so beloved because he brought home a couple championships. kershaw hasn't done it yet (though not entirely his fault), and i don't feel as constructed the dodgers will win big anytime soon during kershaw's prime years.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Koufax's LAST 250 he was probably 250-0. Those are almost certainly his first 250.

Peter - you are so right...I wasn't paying attention to details again...anytime I see a comparison to part of Koufax's career, I assume it is the last portion that is being mentioned - and I typed out a response without even reading what I was responding to.


You can only imagine how bad I would be at Twitter...


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[BearBailey]

Kershaw is certainly on his way but still very early in his career for me, I still think Greg Madfux is the best pitcher I have ever seen. I was shocked this week on the ESPN rankings having Pedro in 1st by quire a bit. I was lucky enough Enough to see Pedro pitch 5 starts and 1 inning of relief on either the last or next to last of the season. He was 0-4 with 1 no decision. As great as he was I just saw him in person on the wrong nights?