T227 Series of Champions Enigma

[Beansballcardblog]

Ah did not know that. I'm into the auto drivers and hadn't looked at any of the others. If nothing else, this narrows down the production dates . Or, are the dates something that's already known?

Originally Posted by Baseball Rarities

FWIW, the card of Rodgers mentions his death on the back - April 3, 1912.

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by wvu_class_of_2001

If nothing else, this narrows down the production dates . Or, are the dates something that's already known?

I had it broken down at one time, but I cannot find my notes.

But, just from card of Bruce Brown, it can be determined that the set was issued after June 25, 1912 (date of the mentioned French Grand Prix) and the date of his death - October 1, 1912 (not mentioned).

I am assuming that his card was issued before his death or else they would have mentioned that on the card's reverse as they did with Rodgers.

[Marslife]

Hey Fellas!

after a long exhaustive search, I snagged a Rodgers! Had to "pay up" but happily Got One!

It has an Honest Long Cut back....

bit of a miscut with a sliver of another subject on the edge...

That makes 23/24 one more to go for a full HLC backed set!

TTYL!

Cliff

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[dgyshcc]

Spring Robert Edwards Auction has both a Rodgers and a Brown T227 up for auction

[Beansballcardblog]

The Brown?

HOLY CRAP ON A CRACKER!

Originally Posted by dgyshcc

Spring Robert Edwards Auction has both a Rodgers and a Brown T227 up for auction

[Marslife]

just ran across this: David Loney Bruce-Brown's great Grandfather was J.P. Lorrilard! Perhaps this has something to do with the short print?

here is a link to the .pdf:

https://www.firstsuperspeedway.com/s...compressed.pdf

[G1911]

Whether causation or coincidence, that is a very interesting discovery!



I have wondered if we have it flipped upside down, and Rodgers and Brown were not removed but rather were late additions.

The latest date on any other card is December 1, 1911 on Abe Attell. Most of the biographies end in mid-late 1911, with only a couple exceptions (like Jack Johnson not going past July 4, 1910, a remnant of hijacking his T218/9 write-ups).

Rodgers card mentions his death in April of 1912 (thus, he clearly wasn't pulled because he died - they knew that before even finalizing his card). The last race mentioned on the back of Brown's card was in June of 1912, placing these several months after all of the other subjects biographies ends. It seems off to me, unlikely these two were available at the very beginning of production and quickly pulled. That's a very long lead time.