T227 Series of Champions Enigma

[Steve D]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

That is interesting re the two seeming SPs. I know that T220 silver border has a pair of notorious SPs, Mike Donovan Today and Jas. J. Corbett, and I've long thought that there was some sort of chase or price component to the shortage that has been lost to time. Perhaps the same is true of T227?

It appears, after seeing wvu's post (#31), that the shortage of the Brown and Rodgers cards could be attributable to their premature deaths. Rodgers was killed Apr 3, 1912, and Brown was killed Nov 1, 1912.


Steve

[Beansballcardblog]

Nice call, Steve! I didn't think about anything like that. It has to be more than coincidence.

I'm only up to four so far, but I'm working on the T36 set and it also includes Brown. It's a 1910 set though, which is among the reasons I'll give for not thinking of that haha.

-kin

Originally Posted by Steve D

It appears, after seeing wvu's post (#31), that the shortage of the Brown and Rodgers cards could be attributable to their premature deaths. Rodgers was killed Apr 3, 1912, and Brown was killed Nov 1, 1912.


Steve

[Marslife]

I was recently in Indianapolis, there was talk of the 100th running of Indy and Bruce Brown winning early on.

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Bruce-Brown and his mechanic Tony Scudelari, shortly before they were killed in a practice accident at the 1912 American Grand Prize.

[Beansballcardblog]

Very possible, he finished third in the inaugural race. Ralph Mulford finished second. Brown and Mulford are both in the T36 and T227 sets, while winner Ray Harroun wasn't in either.

The sixth place finisher in the inaugural race was Ralph DePalma, who is in the T36 set. He would win the 500 in 1915.

The wifey and I are headed up to Indianapolis this month for the 100th running of the 500. I've been waiting for this for years!

-Kin

Originally Posted by Marslife

I was recently in Indianapolis, there was talk of the 100th running of Indy and Bruce Brown winning early on.

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Bruce-Brown and his mechanic Tony Scudelari, shortly before they were killed in a practice accident at the 1912 American Grand Prize.

[Marslife]

Very possible, he finished third in the inaugural race. Ralph Mulford finished second. Brown and Mulford are both in the T36 and T227 sets, while winner Ray Harroun wasn't in either.

Good stuff Kin! have a good time out there. from the pre race practice sessions and media coverage sounds like it will be quite a party at the race, have fun!

Maybe the missing 25th card was/is/shouldve been Ray Harroun?

Good theory on the deaths of Rodgers and Brown, perhaps the cards are short prints if ATC pulled or did not release more of their cards after the deaths?

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by Marslife

[HTML]Good theory on the deaths of Rodgers and Brown, perhaps the cards are short prints if ATC pulled or did not release more of their cards after the deaths?

FWIW, the card of Rodgers mentions his death on the back - April 3, 1912.

[Beansballcardblog]

Ah did not know that. I'm into the auto drivers and hadn't looked at any of the others. If nothing else, this narrows down the production dates . Or, are the dates something that's already known?

Originally Posted by Baseball Rarities

FWIW, the card of Rodgers mentions his death on the back - April 3, 1912.