1956 Mantle Advice Needed Sgc 96

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by gnaz01

Multiple resubmits

Actually, it'll be $700 per submission attempt. That's the PSA fee for cards worth over $10,000.

[aro13]

I think it is worth the crossover. My only question would be why did Mile High not submit it to PSA for crossover if it is worth so much more in a PSA holder.

[xplainer]

Originally Posted by aro13

I think it is worth the crossover. My only question would be why did Mile High not submit it to PSA for crossover if it is worth so much more in a PSA holder.

OP bought it five years ago.

[ullmandds]

WOW!!!!! $700 for the submit?!?!?!?

So if one is not current/up to date on SMR values...or values in general and submits a card. Is that submitter less likely to get a higher grade if they've undervalued their submission...whether intentionally or not????

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

WOW!!!!! $700 for the submit?!?!?!?

So if one is not current/up to date on SMR values...or values in general and submits a card. Is that submitter less likely to get a higher grade if they've undervalued their submission...whether intentionally or not????

I don't believe there is any significant bias between submission tier and grader outcome. I've seen $20 cards become $5,000 cards under standard bulk submissions with a $100 value cap.

If PSA charged $50 per review for a $25,000 card, the owner will submit it 50 times just to see if they can get a bump. In my opinion it's a sort of luxury tax to help prevent market manipulation. There are very few $10,000 raw cards on earth, so this fee structure essentially only affects resubmitters.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

I don't believe there is any significant bias between submission tier and grader outcome. I've seen $20 cards become $5,000 cards under standard bulk submissions with a $100 value cap.

If PSA charged $50 per review for a $25,000 card, the owner will submit it 50 times just to see if they can get a bump. In my opinion it's a sort of luxury tax to help prevent market manipulation. There are very few $10,000 raw cards on earth, so this fee structure essentially only affects resubmitters.

OK...well has anyone been contaced by a TPG'er afer a submission...to be notified that they have dramatically undervalued a submitted card(s) and that they will have to pay a higher fee if they want the card graded?

[CMIZ5290]

The card certainly looks very sharp and it's well centered. As an alternative,you might want to consider trying to get SGC to bump it to a 98, especially if you can do it in person.

[begsu1013]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

OK...well has anyone been contaced by a TPG'er afer a submission...to be notified that they have dramatically undervalued a submitted card(s) and that they will have to pay a higher fee if they want the card graded?

yes that does happen, pete

but has to be completely unrealistic original submission level.*


like submitting a card w/ a value of $14,999+ at the $7 level.

you will also be posed about the return shipping insurance level if your card bumps.


and on the rare occasion I have heard about them actually raising the submission price if the card does bump after the fact. I do not know if this is 100% accurate, but have heard about 2 instances a while back.

* but they do that before the card is even graded. while it is getting logged.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

OK...well has anyone been contaced by a TPG'er afer a submission...to be notified that they have dramatically undervalued a submitted card(s) and that they will have to pay a higher fee if they want the card graded?

Yes, I submitted this card at the under $5K level. PSA called me, and told me I had to pay at the under $10K service level.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by aro13

I think it is worth the crossover. My only question would be why did Mile High not submit it to PSA for crossover if it is worth so much more in a PSA holder.

Who says they didn't try?

[nat]

So they'll check to see if it meets the minimum grade while it's in the other holder? Considering that there is minimal (or, if you're being cynical, no) difference between an 8.5 and a 9, is that even something that they can do? Like, can you get proper magnification on the sides of the card to check for bumps etc., while it's in the holder? I mean, I guess the answer is yes, but man...

What would they do if you sent them something graded by a really sketchy grading company? The kind of place that sometimes grades fakes. If you put a minimum grade on it they'd need to authenticate it without holding it, and so, e.g., without being able to check to see if it's the right card stock. Would they refuse to grade it, and if so on what grounds?

[Delray Vintage]

Bought the card in 2010 and doubt the price difference between PSA and SGC was large. After all it was a $6000 card so maybe PSA 9 was 6500. Maybe they tried but doubt it was worth the effort in 2010.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by nat

So they'll check to see if it meets the minimum grade while it's in the other holder? Considering that there is minimal (or, if you're being cynical, no) difference between an 8.5 and a 9, is that even something that they can do? Like, can you get proper magnification on the sides of the card to check for bumps etc., while it's in the holder? I mean, I guess the answer is yes, but man...

What would they do if you sent them something graded by a really sketchy grading company? The kind of place that sometimes grades fakes. If you put a minimum grade on it they'd need to authenticate it without holding it, and so, e.g., without being able to check to see if it's the right card stock. Would they refuse to grade it, and if so on what grounds?

Thats the trade off. It's harder to examine the card in a holder and it's less likely to get a bump. But there is too much risk for most to crack a card of this caliber out. If they can't determine the card will meet your minimum grade requirement, or even authenticity PSA will return the card to you in the same holder you submitted it in.

[HRBAKER]

$700, wow - does the increased grading fee get your more eyes or a more expert grader? Or is it just participation in the secondary value of the card? Don't give me the blah blah blah about how it is about insuring a more valuable card against loss or damage on the premises.

[CMIZ5290]

Once again, I'm not an SGC fan, but his best option for improvement with least possible expense, might be to try and bump the SGC grade.....Card quite possibly could be an SGC 98 with a little luck...

[Touch'EmAll]

Talk to PWCC and ask them if they would want to try crossover for you on their nickel. And have a predetermined deal that if it does cross to PSA 9 you will sell it through their auctions. Just an idea - worst they say is no thanks.

Otherwise I wouldn't try it on your own for $700. - ouch! But if you do gamble, make sure centering is near perfect with no tilt cut. And I wouldn't risk if it has a natural rough cut boarder.

[begsu1013]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

$700, wow - does the increased grading fee get your more eyes or a more expert grader? Or is it just participation in the secondary value of the card? Don't give me the blah blah blah about how it is about insuring a more valuable card against loss or damage on the premises.

yes to just about all.

more informed grader.
a hellavu lot faster service. usually same day.
notes as to what held it back.

the notion of sending it to an auction house to have them submit is a pretty good idea though. kudos there.

not sure pwcc would do it considering their "certified high end" program. however, I do not know that as fact and basically speaking outta my @ss there.

but the auction house submittal is still brilliant nevertheless.

[drmondobueno]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Who says they didn't try?

True. Ask the AH....

[irv]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

OK...well has anyone been contaced by a TPG'er afer a submission...to be notified that they have dramatically undervalued a submitted card(s) and that they will have to pay a higher fee if they want the card graded?

When I found out they were charging $700 for a $10,000 card, I questioned what is so special/different about a $10,000 dollar card compared to a $9,000 dollar card or less?

I believe it was answered above, but I initially thought PSA, seeing your good fortune also wanted a piece of the action?

Just curious, do any of you see either of these cards costing me $700 dollars U.S. ($1000+ CdN) to get these graded?