Does Everyone Understand Pre-War?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

but prince dying? i mean c'mon. seriously. it's freaking prince. and he's influenced every board member here one way or another even if you don't realize it.

Sorry, Bob, but grown male adults that dress in purple and have whiney feminine voices don't influence me. If you liked him, so be it. No knocking you - to each his own.

However, it belongs in the Watercooler section with all the other RIPs...like Glen Frey's RIP...someone that actually did influence me.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Neil Young has a high voice too, surely you don't dislike him?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Neil Young has a high voice too, surely you don't dislike him?

Funny you mention that, Peter. I was having this exact conversation with someone at work this morning. I love music from that era, but no, I can't stand Young - specifically for his voice.

[begsu1013]

he may not have directly. but i guarantee you he influenced some other artist you like. again, "even if you don't realize it".

i'm a glen frey fan too. just don't play me hotel california.

quick question: are you an eric clapton fan?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Clapton? Yes.

[begsu1013]

of course you do:

[vintagetoppsguy]

No doubt he influenced other artists. But didn't Glenn Frey as well? It still belongs in the Watercooler/OT section with the rest of the RIP threads.

[begsu1013]

agreed.

glen frey does belong in the water cooler section and You Belong To The City.

and i'm a fan.





edit: and the ironic thing, this whole thread about how stuff shouldn't be here has yet to produce any real talk about prewar cards.
and not many other threads popping either. as leon stated...he'd rather see something going on when it's stagnate than nothing.
if it was glowing w/ activity this thread wouldn't exist and the prince thread woulda been pushed down a long time ago.

[irv]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

of course you do:

I personally never cared for Prince's music but there is no denying he was on multi talented individual.

I recently seen this vid and was blown away by how good of a guitar player he was. I had no idea truthfully.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SFNW5F8K9Y

[steve_a]

I've been curious so seems like a place to ask.. What's the origin of the net54 name? Was it a 54 Topps board? Or started by a Gene Schott fan? Or something else altogether?

[Leon]

The board used to be hosted by Network54.com .. This name is a derivative of that...

Originally Posted by steve_a

I've been curious so seems like a place to ask.. What's the origin of the net54 name? Was it a 54 Topps board? Or started by a Gene Schott fan? Or something else altogether?

[Lordstan]

I think some people perhaps are misinterpreting the OP's comments. I don't think he, or the others that agree with him, are saying that these threads and discussions are bad or not interesting. I think they are just commenting that they don't belong in the section of the board where Pre War card discussions go. The board has sections so that there some organization and grouping of like subjects. This allows people who are looking for a certain topic to know where they are likely to find that topic being discussed. I collect Lou Gehrig memorabilia and autographs and have no real interest in reading about 1948 Bowman or 1941 PlayBall, so am glad there is a memorabilia/auto section. I appreciate that I don't have to wade through posts that have no real interest to me. I know it wouldn't take a long time, but it's still nice to not have to do so.

Say RIP to Prince or other famous people who influenced our society in one way or another is definitely reasonable, but shouldn't it be in the Off Topic section? He was not a baseball player from before WW2. Not sure why it's so wrong to put the RIP thread in the correct place.

I appreciate Leon's looser style of governance, but can also understand that some might feel the balance of posts shifting and wish it weren't.

[Stonepony]

Originally Posted by irv

I personally never cared for Prince's music but there is no denying he was on multi talented individual.

I recently seen this vid and was blown away by how good of a guitar player he was. I had no idea truthfully.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SFNW5F8K9Y

Supreme guitarist, yes!

[edjs]

I'm sorry, I felt this thread could use a couple more cards right about now.

Chive on!

[rats60]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

of course you do:

http://www.snopes.com/eric-clapton-quote-about-prince/

This purported response is one Clapton is extremely unlikely to have made (in anything but jest), as it follows exactly the narrative of a decades-old (false) urban legend in which either Jimi Hendrix or Clapton himself supposedly answered the same question, in equally surprising fashion, by saying that it should instead have been posed to Phil Keaggy:

While Prince is regarded as a fine musician, he wasn't necessarily seen as being in the top echelon of world-class guitarists by his fellow axe men. Rolling Stones' 2003 list of the "Top 100 Guitarists of All Time" completely omitted him (although he was came in at #33 in a later version). Clapton and Hendrix, however, regularly rank at the top of the list.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by rats60

http://www.snopes.com/eric-clapton-quote-about-prince/

This purported response is one Clapton is extremely unlikely to have made (in anything but jest), as it follows exactly the narrative of a decades-old (false) urban legend in which either Jimi Hendrix or Clapton himself supposedly answered the same question, in equally surprising fashion, by saying that it should instead have been posed to Phil Keaggy:

While Prince is regarded as a fine musician, he wasn't necessarily seen as being in the top echelon of world-class guitarists by his fellow axe men. Rolling Stones' 2003 list of the "Top 100 Guitarists of All Time" completely omitted him (although he was came in at #33 in a later version). Clapton and Hendrix, however, regularly rank at the top of the list.

Yeah you would think Clapton Page Richards Berry before you would think of Prince, I would anyhow. I saw some clips where his pyrotechnics were pretty awesome but greatness is more than that. 1 or 33 though a terrible shame that he died young.

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by rats60

While Prince is regarded as a fine musician, he wasn't necessarily seen as being in the top echelon of world-class guitarists by his fellow axe men. Rolling Stones' 2003 list of the "Top 100 Guitarists of All Time" completely omitted him (although he was came in at #33 in a later version). Clapton and Hendrix, however, regularly rank at the top of the list.

Well, as somebody who has been playing the guitar for 25 years, studying a myriad of styles, and incorporating rock, prog, metal, blues, classical and jazz into my playing, I can say the Rolling Stone' Top 100 Guitarists of all-time list is shit. That they listed Kurt Cobain (#12) ahead of true virtuosos like Jeff Beck (#14), Brian May (#39), Ritchie Blackmore (#55), Eddie Van Halen (#70), David Gilmour (#82), and Randy Rhoads (#85), while completely excluding such greats as Al DiMeola, Allan Holdsworth, Pat Metheny, Andres Segovia, Joe Satriani, Stanley Jordan, Robert Cray, Adrian Belew, Eric Johnson, Joe Pass, Steve Rothery and John Petrucci....is laughable at best.

I've known a lot of guitarists, and not a one of them thought the Rolling Stone list was worth the paper it was printed on.

[Kenny Cole]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

Well, as somebody who has been playing the guitar for 25 years, studying a myriad of styles, and incorporating rock, prog, metal, blues, classical and jazz into my playing, I can say the Rolling Stone' Top 100 Guitarists of all-time list is shit. That they listed Kurt Cobain (#12) ahead of true virtuosos like Jeff Beck (#14), Brian May (#39), Ritchie Blackmore (#55), Eddie Van Halen (#70), David Gilmour (#82), and Randy Rhoads (#85), while completely excluding such greats as Al DiMeola, Allan Holdsworth, Pat Metheny, Andres Segovia, Joe Satriani, Stanley Jordan, Robert Cray, Adrian Belew, Eric Johnson, Joe Pass, Steve Rothery and John Petrucci....is laughable at best.

I've known a lot of guitarists, and not a one of them thought the Rolling Stone list was worth the paper it was printed on.

I don't think any of those guys are pre-war guitarists.

[TUM301]

Pre -War Guitarist, Keith Richards ?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Kenny Cole

I don't think any of those guys are pre-war guitarists.

I think the original RS list had Robert Johnson quite high. The revised one he dropped down.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

Well, as somebody who has been playing the guitar for 25 years, studying a myriad of styles, and incorporating rock, prog, metal, blues, classical and jazz into my playing, I can say the Rolling Stone' Top 100 Guitarists of all-time list is shit. That they listed Kurt Cobain (#12) ahead of true virtuosos like Jeff Beck (#14), Brian May (#39), Ritchie Blackmore (#55), Eddie Van Halen (#70), David Gilmour (#82), and Randy Rhoads (#85), while completely excluding such greats as Al DiMeola, Allan Holdsworth, Pat Metheny, Andres Segovia, Joe Satriani, Stanley Jordan, Robert Cray, Adrian Belew, Eric Johnson, Joe Pass, Steve Rothery and John Petrucci....is laughable at best.

I've known a lot of guitarists, and not a one of them thought the Rolling Stone list was worth the paper it was printed on.

I agree with you Bill. A while back I was checking out the list to see where some members of the original Lynyrd Skynyrd band ranked (Steve Gaines, Allen Collins and Gary Rossington). I was shocked to see not one of them made the list and just as shocked with some of the people that did. I thought all three could/should have made the list. If there is a top ten list of the worst list's this one should be on it.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

Well, as somebody who has been playing the guitar for 25 years, studying a myriad of styles, and incorporating rock, prog, metal, blues, classical and jazz into my playing, I can say the Rolling Stone' Top 100 Guitarists of all-time list is shit. That they listed Kurt Cobain (#12) ahead of true virtuosos like Jeff Beck (#14), Brian May (#39), Ritchie Blackmore (#55), Eddie Van Halen (#70), David Gilmour (#82), and Randy Rhoads (#85), while completely excluding such greats as Al DiMeola, Allan Holdsworth, Pat Metheny, Andres Segovia, Joe Satriani, Stanley Jordan, Robert Cray, Adrian Belew, Eric Johnson, Joe Pass, Steve Rothery and John Petrucci....is laughable at best.

I've known a lot of guitarists, and not a one of them thought the Rolling Stone list was worth the paper it was printed on.

You are referring to this list that didn't have Prince even listed and it is crap. The list with Prince at 33 has Cobain at 73 and all those guys you listed well ahead of him. Beck 5, Van Halen 8, Gilmour 14, May 26, Rhoads 36 and Blackmore 50.

That list is the opinions of other professional guitarists. The top 3 is pretty well established, Hendrix, Clapton, Page. The further you go down the list, the more subjective it becomes. The point still stands, while Prince was a great guitarist, he was no where near the best living guitarist.