Does Everyone Understand Pre-War?

[begsu1013]

of course you do:

[vintagetoppsguy]

No doubt he influenced other artists. But didn't Glenn Frey as well? It still belongs in the Watercooler/OT section with the rest of the RIP threads.

[begsu1013]

agreed.

glen frey does belong in the water cooler section and You Belong To The City.

and i'm a fan.





edit: and the ironic thing, this whole thread about how stuff shouldn't be here has yet to produce any real talk about prewar cards.
and not many other threads popping either. as leon stated...he'd rather see something going on when it's stagnate than nothing.
if it was glowing w/ activity this thread wouldn't exist and the prince thread woulda been pushed down a long time ago.

[irv]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

of course you do:

I personally never cared for Prince's music but there is no denying he was on multi talented individual.

I recently seen this vid and was blown away by how good of a guitar player he was. I had no idea truthfully.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SFNW5F8K9Y

[steve_a]

I've been curious so seems like a place to ask.. What's the origin of the net54 name? Was it a 54 Topps board? Or started by a Gene Schott fan? Or something else altogether?

[Leon]

The board used to be hosted by Network54.com .. This name is a derivative of that...

Originally Posted by steve_a

I've been curious so seems like a place to ask.. What's the origin of the net54 name? Was it a 54 Topps board? Or started by a Gene Schott fan? Or something else altogether?

[Lordstan]

I think some people perhaps are misinterpreting the OP's comments. I don't think he, or the others that agree with him, are saying that these threads and discussions are bad or not interesting. I think they are just commenting that they don't belong in the section of the board where Pre War card discussions go. The board has sections so that there some organization and grouping of like subjects. This allows people who are looking for a certain topic to know where they are likely to find that topic being discussed. I collect Lou Gehrig memorabilia and autographs and have no real interest in reading about 1948 Bowman or 1941 PlayBall, so am glad there is a memorabilia/auto section. I appreciate that I don't have to wade through posts that have no real interest to me. I know it wouldn't take a long time, but it's still nice to not have to do so.

Say RIP to Prince or other famous people who influenced our society in one way or another is definitely reasonable, but shouldn't it be in the Off Topic section? He was not a baseball player from before WW2. Not sure why it's so wrong to put the RIP thread in the correct place.

I appreciate Leon's looser style of governance, but can also understand that some might feel the balance of posts shifting and wish it weren't.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Who cares? If you want to read a topic read it if you don't don't. Not like moving a bunch of stuff off the main page is going to produce any more pre-war posts.

[coolshemp]

I always thought Pre-War referred to pre-WWI. The war to end all wars. How did that work out?

[Kenny Cole]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Who cares? If you want to read a topic read it if you don't don't. Not like moving a bunch of stuff off the main page is going to produce any more pre-war posts.

+1. I so hate it when I agree with Peter. It makes me feel .... dirty.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If you want to read a topic read it if you don't don't.

Then why have different sub forums? Let's just post everything on the main forum - B/S/T listings, Post War, Memorabilia, Autographs, etc. - and people can just sift through the threads and only read the topics they want to read?

[Stonepony]

Originally Posted by irv

I personally never cared for Prince's music but there is no denying he was on multi talented individual.

I recently seen this vid and was blown away by how good of a guitar player he was. I had no idea truthfully.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SFNW5F8K9Y

Supreme guitarist, yes!

[edjs]

I'm sorry, I felt this thread could use a couple more cards right about now.

Chive on!

[rats60]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

of course you do:

http://www.snopes.com/eric-clapton-quote-about-prince/

This purported response is one Clapton is extremely unlikely to have made (in anything but jest), as it follows exactly the narrative of a decades-old (false) urban legend in which either Jimi Hendrix or Clapton himself supposedly answered the same question, in equally surprising fashion, by saying that it should instead have been posed to Phil Keaggy:

While Prince is regarded as a fine musician, he wasn't necessarily seen as being in the top echelon of world-class guitarists by his fellow axe men. Rolling Stones' 2003 list of the "Top 100 Guitarists of All Time" completely omitted him (although he was came in at #33 in a later version). Clapton and Hendrix, however, regularly rank at the top of the list.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by rats60

http://www.snopes.com/eric-clapton-quote-about-prince/

This purported response is one Clapton is extremely unlikely to have made (in anything but jest), as it follows exactly the narrative of a decades-old (false) urban legend in which either Jimi Hendrix or Clapton himself supposedly answered the same question, in equally surprising fashion, by saying that it should instead have been posed to Phil Keaggy:

While Prince is regarded as a fine musician, he wasn't necessarily seen as being in the top echelon of world-class guitarists by his fellow axe men. Rolling Stones' 2003 list of the "Top 100 Guitarists of All Time" completely omitted him (although he was came in at #33 in a later version). Clapton and Hendrix, however, regularly rank at the top of the list.

Yeah you would think Clapton Page Richards Berry before you would think of Prince, I would anyhow. I saw some clips where his pyrotechnics were pretty awesome but greatness is more than that. 1 or 33 though a terrible shame that he died young.

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by rats60

While Prince is regarded as a fine musician, he wasn't necessarily seen as being in the top echelon of world-class guitarists by his fellow axe men. Rolling Stones' 2003 list of the "Top 100 Guitarists of All Time" completely omitted him (although he was came in at #33 in a later version). Clapton and Hendrix, however, regularly rank at the top of the list.

Well, as somebody who has been playing the guitar for 25 years, studying a myriad of styles, and incorporating rock, prog, metal, blues, classical and jazz into my playing, I can say the Rolling Stone' Top 100 Guitarists of all-time list is shit. That they listed Kurt Cobain (#12) ahead of true virtuosos like Jeff Beck (#14), Brian May (#39), Ritchie Blackmore (#55), Eddie Van Halen (#70), David Gilmour (#82), and Randy Rhoads (#85), while completely excluding such greats as Al DiMeola, Allan Holdsworth, Pat Metheny, Andres Segovia, Joe Satriani, Stanley Jordan, Robert Cray, Adrian Belew, Eric Johnson, Joe Pass, Steve Rothery and John Petrucci....is laughable at best.

I've known a lot of guitarists, and not a one of them thought the Rolling Stone list was worth the paper it was printed on.

[Kenny Cole]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

Well, as somebody who has been playing the guitar for 25 years, studying a myriad of styles, and incorporating rock, prog, metal, blues, classical and jazz into my playing, I can say the Rolling Stone' Top 100 Guitarists of all-time list is shit. That they listed Kurt Cobain (#12) ahead of true virtuosos like Jeff Beck (#14), Brian May (#39), Ritchie Blackmore (#55), Eddie Van Halen (#70), David Gilmour (#82), and Randy Rhoads (#85), while completely excluding such greats as Al DiMeola, Allan Holdsworth, Pat Metheny, Andres Segovia, Joe Satriani, Stanley Jordan, Robert Cray, Adrian Belew, Eric Johnson, Joe Pass, Steve Rothery and John Petrucci....is laughable at best.

I've known a lot of guitarists, and not a one of them thought the Rolling Stone list was worth the paper it was printed on.

I don't think any of those guys are pre-war guitarists.

[TUM301]

Pre -War Guitarist, Keith Richards ?

[FourStrikes]

Originally Posted by TUM301

Pre -War Guitarist, Keith Richards ?

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Kenny Cole

I don't think any of those guys are pre-war guitarists.

I think the original RS list had Robert Johnson quite high. The revised one he dropped down.

[begsu1013]

les paul.

edit: and agreed, i'd rather have a roll of toilet paper than a rolling stone.

[begsu1013]

and speaking of rolling stone and it's corporate agendas...this is one of my fav clips.

derek trucks melting john mayer's face:

john mayer who?


not sure if derek ever made RS lists. probably not, but that's more credible to me. i dig the under the radar guys like trucks, warren haynes, dave schools (bass), etc.

edit: in closing for prince, here is a link to his final show. kinda a slow show...it's primarily a panic site, but it has streams of live shows for just about anyone worth listening to along the right hand side.

just about anything found here



back to prewar.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

Well, as somebody who has been playing the guitar for 25 years, studying a myriad of styles, and incorporating rock, prog, metal, blues, classical and jazz into my playing, I can say the Rolling Stone' Top 100 Guitarists of all-time list is shit. That they listed Kurt Cobain (#12) ahead of true virtuosos like Jeff Beck (#14), Brian May (#39), Ritchie Blackmore (#55), Eddie Van Halen (#70), David Gilmour (#82), and Randy Rhoads (#85), while completely excluding such greats as Al DiMeola, Allan Holdsworth, Pat Metheny, Andres Segovia, Joe Satriani, Stanley Jordan, Robert Cray, Adrian Belew, Eric Johnson, Joe Pass, Steve Rothery and John Petrucci....is laughable at best.

I've known a lot of guitarists, and not a one of them thought the Rolling Stone list was worth the paper it was printed on.

I agree with you Bill. A while back I was checking out the list to see where some members of the original Lynyrd Skynyrd band ranked (Steve Gaines, Allen Collins and Gary Rossington). I was shocked to see not one of them made the list and just as shocked with some of the people that did. I thought all three could/should have made the list. If there is a top ten list of the worst list's this one should be on it.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

Well, as somebody who has been playing the guitar for 25 years, studying a myriad of styles, and incorporating rock, prog, metal, blues, classical and jazz into my playing, I can say the Rolling Stone' Top 100 Guitarists of all-time list is shit. That they listed Kurt Cobain (#12) ahead of true virtuosos like Jeff Beck (#14), Brian May (#39), Ritchie Blackmore (#55), Eddie Van Halen (#70), David Gilmour (#82), and Randy Rhoads (#85), while completely excluding such greats as Al DiMeola, Allan Holdsworth, Pat Metheny, Andres Segovia, Joe Satriani, Stanley Jordan, Robert Cray, Adrian Belew, Eric Johnson, Joe Pass, Steve Rothery and John Petrucci....is laughable at best.

I've known a lot of guitarists, and not a one of them thought the Rolling Stone list was worth the paper it was printed on.

You are referring to this list that didn't have Prince even listed and it is crap. The list with Prince at 33 has Cobain at 73 and all those guys you listed well ahead of him. Beck 5, Van Halen 8, Gilmour 14, May 26, Rhoads 36 and Blackmore 50.

That list is the opinions of other professional guitarists. The top 3 is pretty well established, Hendrix, Clapton, Page. The further you go down the list, the more subjective it becomes. The point still stands, while Prince was a great guitarist, he was no where near the best living guitarist.