Why are Hal Chase and Pepper Martin in the HOF?

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by sebie43

Why isn't George Mullin in the hall? He has very comparable numbers with Marquard or Chesbro. (For the record I don't think any of the 3 deserve it)

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I have to disagree with you big time on Chesbro. Anyone that wins 41 games in a season should probably get in on that alone. But he also had a solid record, 198-129 I believe or something close to that.

[sebie43]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

I have to disagree with you big time on Chesbro. Anyone that wins 41 games in a season should probably get in on that alone. But he also had a solid record, 198-129 I believe or something close to that.

Maybe Chesbro is hall worthy. But in that case I would argue Mullin was aswell with a high of 29 wins in 1909, 228-196 career, 2.82 era with 353 of his 428 starts complete games. 6 world series complete games with 1.82 era. I can certainly see the argument for both pitchers inclusion. I just feel Mullin gets forgotten so I gave a few comparisons.


Sebastian

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[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by sebie43

Maybe Chesbro is hall worthy. But in that case I would argue Mullin was aswell with a high of 29 wins in 1909, 228-196 career, 2.82 era with 353 of his 428 starts complete games. 6 world series complete games with 1.82 era. I can certainly see the argument for both pitchers inclusion. I just feel Mullin gets forgotten so I gave a few comparisons.


Sebastian

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I agree with your point pertaining Mullin. While I don't put him at the level of Chesbro, I do think he's Hall worthy....I had no idea that his complete game ratio was that high. That would have to rank with some of the greatest pitchers of all time....

[Steve D]

Dale Murphy
Ted Simmons
Keith Hernandez


Steve

[TheBig6]

Harry Stovey

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Steve D

Dale Murphy
Ted Simmons
Keith Hernandez


Steve

It's a shame that character doesn't come in to play because Dale Murphy would be a landslide......

[brianp-beme]

I have seen a good portion of the players mentioned listed as HOF'ers in ebay lots. One that I occasionally see noted as a HOF player is Babe Herman...I think they are confusing him with Billy Herman.

Brian

[nat]

Character actually is one of the conditions that voters are permitted to take into account. It's almost never invoked though. Sometimes voters (at least implicitly) refer to it as an excuse for not voting for accused steroid users, but that's about it.

[Leon]

Chase always gets put into the HOF for some reason, Thurman Munson too. (as well as the others listed)

[Klrdds]

Originally Posted by Steve D

Dale Murphy
Ted Simmons
Keith Hernandez


Steve

I have always felt Ted Simmons is not in the Hall of Fame because of 2 words .....Johnny Bench

[MacDice]

Originally Posted by Klrdds

I have always felt Ted Simmons is not in the Hall of Fame because of 2 words .....Johnny Bench

And two more words "Gary Carter"