Ty Cobb not the monster many have made him out to be?

[sjim8660]

Originally Posted by sportscardtheory

http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/who-wa...w-thats-wrong/

Interesting article about the many myths of Ty Cobb.

Thanks for posting this, its a great read. Makes me like Cobb even more.

[ls7plus]

The book is a great read, eliminating a lot of the BS found in the movie.

Regards,

Larry

[deadballfreaK]

Al Stump wrote a book that makes Cobb look like a psychopath. 90% lies. The movie is ridiculous, but entertaining. I believe Cobb was a racist and a difficult person to get along with, but he wasn't Satan! That book is such bullshit. He didn't rave at people and shoot his pistol in the hospital. A nurse who took care of him in his final days denies that. He was actually a model patient and signed baseballs for her. He gave to charities and gave money to former ball players down on their luck. He was a conflicted person, but no monster!

[Pilot172000]

I think Cobb was hyper competitive and never made a point to be one of the good ole boys. He was a southerner which immediately made him an outsider and he like most southerners made it personal. Was he a racist? Who wasn't in that era? They were all bigots in one form or fashion. They hated the Irish, the Chinese and any other minority that didn't fit into the mold.

I think that he did everything in absolutes, no grey areas and that is how it is. As a kid I had the movie on VHS and I watched it over and over. It's how I learned who Tris Speaker, Nap Lajoie and Mickey Cochrene were. Stump lied his a$$ off to make a small fortune off of someone else's name and unfortunately it stuck.

[sjim8660]

Originally Posted by Pilot172000

I think Cobb was hyper competitive and never made a point to be one of the good ole boys. He was a southerner which immediately made him an outsider and he like most southerners made it personal. Was he a racist? Who wasn't in that era? They were all bigots in one form or fashion. They hated the Irish, the Chinese and any other minority that didn't fit into the mold.

I think that he did everything in absolutes, no grey areas and that is how it is. As a kid I had the movie on VHS and I watched it over and over. It's how I learned who Tris Speaker, Nap Lajoie and Mickey Cochrene were. Stump lied his a$$ off to make a small fortune off of someone else's name and unfortunately it stuck.

When you talk about being hyper competitive I think about Kobe Bryant. A lot of people don't like Kobe but he took the game serious and so did Cobb. Being the best does not always equal being loved. As a fan of sports I would take a Kobe or Cobb over anyone because you know they are finishers and they have a killer instinct that you cant coach.

[the 'stache]

I don't like Kobe because he's a rapist ahole. His hyper-competitive nature has nothing to do with it. Michael Jordan was the most competitive basketball player I've ever seen. He beat my Bucks like a drum, and it never bothered me one bit. Kobe is a scum bag, and I'd happily say it to his face.

Originally Posted by sjim8660

When you talk about being hyper competitive I think about Kobe Bryant. A lot of people don't like Kobe but he took the game serious and so did Cobb. Being the best does not always equal being loved. As a fan of sports I would take a Kobe or Cobb over anyone because you know they are finishers and they have a killer instinct that you cant coach.

[JTysver]

Heard rumors that the reason Jordan left the NBA was to avoid gambling allegations. Serve a multi-year suspension or make it appear as if your focus is elsewhere. Saves face for both Jordan and the NBA.

Also ironic is that his father was found murdered around this time.

[Joshwesley]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

I don't like Kobe because he's a rapist ahole. His hyper-competitive nature has nothing to do with it. Michael Jordan was the most competitive basketball player I've ever seen. He beat my Bucks like a drum, and it never bothered me one bit. Kobe is a scum bag, and I'd happily say it to his face.

and he would beat you like a rented mule.

[sjim8660]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

I don't like Kobe because he's a rapist ahole. His hyper-competitive nature has nothing to do with it. Michael Jordan was the most competitive basketball player I've ever seen. He beat my Bucks like a drum, and it never bothered me one bit. Kobe is a scum bag, and I'd happily say it to his face.

There was only 2 people there so nobody except them know what really happened. Ultimately she took a payoff and Kobe was never found guilty of anything. Should he of been convicted? Maybe. Did she lie for a payoff? Maybe. Only they know the truth, either way it wasn't anything money couldn't solve, at least in their minds. I respect Kobe as a player, I don't like athletes for their personalities. We like athletes for their ability. People like Greg Hardy who are true scumbags and don't care what anyone thinks shouldn't be allowed to play sports and make millions.

-James Steele

[Pilot172000]

Originally Posted by sjim8660

When you talk about being hyper competitive I think about Kobe Bryant. A lot of people don't like Kobe but he took the game serious and so did Cobb. Being the best does not always equal being loved. As a fan of sports I would take a Kobe or Cobb over anyone because you know they are finishers and they have a killer instinct that you cant coach.

Kobe is an excellent example. I look at Ted Williams the same way too.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by deadballfreaK

Al Stump wrote a book that makes Cobb look like a psychopath. 90% lies. The movie is ridiculous, but entertaining. I believe Cobb was a racist and a difficult person to get along with, but he wasn't Satan! That book is such bullshit. He didn't rave at people and shoot his pistol in the hospital. A nurse who took care of him in his final days denies that. He was actually a model patient and signed baseballs for her. He gave to charities and gave money to former ball players down on their luck. He was a conflicted person, but no monster!

+1...Stump was a monster crook. Look at how many bogus Cobb balls and other autographs he put into the hobby....Also, Cobb financially took care of a lot of people including HOFer Mickey Cochrane. He also donated tons of money locally in Royston, Ga. for many things including little league baseball fields and hospitals...Yes, he was tough to get a long with, but he also had a big heart when spending money with people he really cared about...

[Tabe]

I have no doubt Leerhsen tried to be accurate and honest with his book but is awfully hard to give much credibility to a baseball author who would write nonsense like this: "another time turned a tap back to the pitcher into an inside-the-park home run". I mean, c'mon.