Kris Bryant overrated?... too soon for they hype?

[packs]

You're just grasping at straws now. Bryant is being looked at as a special player and people are paying big bucks to invest in him. The question is why they think he can be that player given his high K rate and being lucky during his rookie season. Comparing him to Cecil Fielder or Dave Kingman is absurd if you're trying to make your point.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

You're just grasping at straws now. Bryant is being looked at as a special player and people are paying big bucks to invest in him. The question is why they think he can be that player given his high K rate and being lucky during his rookie season. Comparing him to Cecil Fielder or Dave Kingman is absurd if you're trying to make your point.

My only point was to respond to your overstatement that someone with more Ks than hits cannot possibly survive. I am not a huge fan of Bryant and would not pay a dime for one of his cards.

[packs]

All of those players retired before advanced metrics and shifts and Howard is not someone I would say has sustained success. He had a few peak seasons and has been terrible for the same period of time.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

All of those players retired before advanced metrics and shifts and Howard is not someone I would say has sustained success. He had a few peak seasons and has been terrible for the same period of time.

Hall Of Fame StatisticsPlayer rank in (·)


Black Ink Batting - 35 (46), Average HOFer ≈ 27

Gray Ink Batting - 175 (60), Average HOFer ≈ 144

Hall of Fame Monitor Batting - 170 (65), Likely HOFer ≈ 100

Hall of Fame Standards Batting - 54 (70), Average HOFer ≈ 50

JAWS Right Field (8th), 73.8 career WAR/46.8 7yr-peak WAR/60.3 JAWS
Reggie does OK on the metrics.

[packs]

Like I said, you're grasping at straws man. I thought it was obvious I was talking about the things that go into a shift and positioning your players on the field. Along with head to head ratios against specific pitchers on your roster. As well as all of the other "new" stats that get put into practice in real time on the field not in looking back at a completed career.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

Like I said, you're grasping at straws man. I thought it was obvious I was talking about the things that go into a shift and positioning your players on the field. Along with head to head ratios against specific pitchers on your roster.

Let us keep in mind the original statement that sparked my response. This is all I was replying to.

"It doesn't matter how good you are, no one can survive in the league or experience prolonged success striking out more times than they get a hit. "

I think YOU are the one grasping at straws now realizing that as stated it was an overstatement.

[packs]

I guess time will tell, won't it? Today's game is totally different from the players you've brought up. None of them faced the advanced stats Bryant will have to play against. It is a new game.

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by packs

Like I said, you're grasping at straws man. I thought it was obvious I was talking about the things that go into a shift and positioning your players on the field. Along with head to head ratios against specific pitchers on your roster. As well as all of the other "new" stats that get put into practice in real time on the field not in looking back at a completed career.

He's not grasping at straws at all. You made a bold statement:

It doesn't matter how good you are, no one can survive in the league or experience prolonged success striking out more times than they get a hit.

In response, he gave you the names of several players who did quite clearly have sustained success while having more strike outs than hits for their careers.

Reggie Jackson is a Hall of Famer.
Jim Thome will be a Hall of Famer.
Jose Canseco hit 462 home runs.
Ryan Howard has hit 362 home runs, and will likely cross 400 home runs.
Cecil Fielder hit 319 home runs, and drove in over 1,000.

Instead of telling him "you're grasping at straws", perhaps you should do a little research first before making statements like the one you did.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Or, he could have simply said, you're right I overstated my position.

[packs]

Ok I take it back. I'll use the word hard instead. It's hard to succeed striking out that much. I was being hyperbolic.