Should for sale listings be allowed in the b/s/t without prices

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by Filthy

I don't disagree with you on that. You and Leon both took the broad stroke of my comment, and ran with it. I do think, that there is a significant difference of severity between the two. Much like, while driving, I have run a red light before...and I have driven over the speed limit...ALOT. I'm not a murderer nor a rapist, nor have I ever robbed a store at gunpoint...but at the end of the day those silly traffic offenses that no one really cares about, at the "most basic level" are still technically just as much against the law, as those more serious offenses. <--- Please don't run with this now, and interpret that I am saying that not posting a price is the same as breaking the law.







http://net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=220632





I have posted the original thread above, of you wanted to bore yourselves with the details, but the original discussion was genuinely wanting to know what legitimate reasons were for someone posting something for sale...yet deliberately not publishing a price. Nothing more.....Nothing less. Yet it has turned into a poll, and a somewhat combative conversation.

I had already read the original thread, but thanks for another condescending reply.

[Filthy]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

I had already read the original thread, but thanks for another condescending reply.

I apologize, as I did not mean to come across as condescending.

[CMIZ5290]

This thread is just too much. "Filthy", beautiful name tag, your opinion on that pertaining to being equal to bid shilling, etc., is beyond stupid. I dont think there's a word for it. You have a solid 82 posts though, so I've been taking notes....And Jesse, what exactly is this thread supposed to accomplish for the good of the board? Just asking....

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

This thread is just too much. "Filthy", beautiful name tag, your opinion on that pertaining to being equal to bid shilling, etc., is beyond stupid. I dont think there's a word for it. You have a solid 82 posts though, so I've been taking notes....And Jesse, what exactly is this thread supposed to accomplish for the good of the board? Just asking....

I am not Jesse but will try to tackle that question. Maybe it will convince some of the sellers that they really are losing customers by not including a price. The poll #'s don't lie. So to me that is helping the board.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I am not Jesse but will try to tackle that question. Maybe it will convince some of the sellers that they really are losing customers by not including a price. The poll #'s don't lie. So to me that is helping the board.

Ben, How am I losing customers? What poll numbers are we talking about precisely?...Are you going to honestly say that you won't inquire about a card that you really want, if a price is not listed?? I don't think so....

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Ben, How am I losing customers? What poll numbers are we talking about precisely?...Are you going to honestly say that you won't inquire about a card that you really want, if a price is not listed?? I don't think so....

This was directed to Ben but I would like to answer. If it was a card I have to have and have been searching for I would probably ask. However I frequently buy cards I want necessarily searching for, and will be much less likely to inquire about one with no price listed.

An example is I will probably sell my PSA 7 red Cobb and down grade to a 4 to match my others. I didn't inquire about yours based on the discussion on your post and lack of price. Now I'm not saying you lost a sale, and we probably wouldn't have reached an agreement, but I do believe it prevents some people from inquiring on some cards they might have otherwise purchased.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

This was directed to Ben but I would like to answer. If it was a card I have to have and have been searching for I would probably ask. However I frequently buy cards I want necessarily searching for, and will be much less likely to inquire about one with no price listed.

An example is I will probably sell my PSA 7 red Cobb and down grade to a 4 to match my others. I didn't inquire about yours based on the discussion on your post and lack of price. Now I'm not saying you lost a sale, and we probably wouldn't have reached an agreement, but I do believe it prevents some people from inquiring on some cards they might have otherwise purchased.

Unbelievable...At least you're honest...

[Thromdog]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

...Are you going to honestly say that you won't inquire about a card that you really want, if a price is not listed?? I don't think so....

This. +1

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Ben, How am I losing customers? What poll numbers are we talking about precisely?...Are you going to honestly say that you won't inquire about a card that you really want, if a price is not listed?? I don't think so....

Because the same people voting no also say they pass on listing because there is no price.

I personally have never asked for a price of a item. If no price I just pass, several others in this thread have said the same thing.

For me I am usually not looking for specific cards and when looking through the BST listings buy thing that make me go "I want one of those".

If you are happy with what you are doing that is great and all that should matter to you. Happy selling the way you like.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Because the same people voting no also say they pass on listing because there is no price.

I personally have never asked for a price of a item. If no price I just pass, several others in this thread have said the same thing.

For me I am usually not looking for specific cards and when looking through the BST listings buy thing that make me go "I want one of those".

If you are happy with what you are doing that is great and all that should matter to you. Happy selling the way you like.

delete, I'm not going to make any other comments on this thread, thanks

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

This thread is just too much. "Filthy", beautiful name tag, your opinion on that pertaining to being equal to bid shilling, etc., is beyond stupid. I dont think there's a word for it. You have a solid 82 posts though, so I've been taking notes....And Jesse, what exactly is this thread supposed to accomplish for the good of the board? Just asking....

I thought it would be interesting to see what the board as a whole thought about the issue. From my responses you know I don't like the practice, and see the issue come up frequently. With the discussion already going I figured why not take a poll and see what everyone thinks. Nothing more, nothing less.

I didn't necessarily think it would accomplish anything in terns of a rule change. If enough people thought the same way I do, which apparently about half do and a quarter don't, maybe it would encourage people to list prices for their cards.

[Filthy]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

your opinion is beyond stupid.

You have a solid 82 posts though, so I've been taking notes.

You have complained about this thread not being "productive" and a great waste of time, yet all you have added is half witted insults. You have a differing opinion than mine, and that's fine. A message boards main purpose is to discuss/debate issues at hand. And the results of this poll are a direct reflection of the collective opinions of the members who post here. And the results of this particular discussion speak loud and clear......even moreso, its also glaringly obvious that those who support your side of the argument, have only been able to verbalize their thoughts, by taking your approach. Lashing out, posting quick hitters, calling people stupid, without giving ANY legitimate reasoning as to why they believe so much in what they are discussing. Much like a petulant child, being asked a question as to why....and all they can say...is BECAUSE! Yet, all of those in opposition to your beliefs have all laid out detailed and coherent explanations as to why they have the opinion that they do. That, in and of itself, speaks volumes.

And the opinion of a members post count, as it relates specifically to legitimacy of ones thoughts/opinions on this board is a greatly flawed one. I would think that social skills, life experiences, level of intellect and self awareness would be a much better barometer of ones value to a message board.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Filthy

And the opinion of a members post count, as it relates specifically to legitimacy of ones thoughts/opinions on this board is a greatly flawed one.

That has always bugged me as well. It's like the more posts someone has, they more knowledgeable and respectable they become to other board members.

I don't get it. And it's not just here. It's even worse on CU.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

That has always bugged me as well. It's like the more posts someone has, they more knowledgeable and respectable they become to other board members.

I don't get it. And it's not just here. It's even worse on CU.

By that standard, Leon would appear knowledgeable and respectable.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

By that standard, Leon would appear knowledgeable and respectable.

And, at least to me, he is.

But my point is that there are a lot of members here (and other boards too) that have been members for a log time and/or have high post counts and for some unknown reason that seems to equate to hobby knowledge / respect. I don't get that.

Likewise, it seems when new members come to the board and share new ideas/opinions, they are overlooked because they are new and they couldn't possibly know more than the 'respected and knowledgeable" board members who've been here for years.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

By that standard, Leon would appear knowledgeable and respectable.

Look in the mirror Peter.

There may be an exception to that rule.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by Filthy

You have complained about this thread not being "productive" and a great waste of time, yet all you have added is half witted insults. You have a differing opinion than mine, and that's fine. A message boards main purpose is to discuss/debate issues at hand. And the results of this poll are a direct reflection of the collective opinions of the members who post here. And the results of this particular discussion speak loud and clear......even moreso, its also glaringly obvious that those who support your side of the argument, have only been able to verbalize their thoughts, by taking your approach. Lashing out, posting quick hitters, calling people stupid, without giving ANY legitimate reasoning as to why they believe so much in what they are discussing. Much like a petulant child, being asked a question as to why....and all they can say...is BECAUSE! Yet, all of those in opposition to your beliefs have all laid out detailed and coherent explanations as to why they have the opinion that they do. That, in and of itself, speaks volumes.



And the opinion of a members post count, as it relates specifically to legitimacy of ones thoughts/opinions on this board is a greatly flawed one. I would think that social skills, life experiences, level of intellect and self awareness would be a much better barometer of ones value to a message board.

Do you write auction lot descriptions for a living?

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by Filthy

[T]hose who support your side of the argument, have only been able to verbalize their thoughts, by taking your approach. Lashing out, posting quick hitters, calling people stupid, without giving ANY legitimate reasoning as to why they believe so much in what they are discussing. . . . Yet, all of those in opposition to your beliefs have all laid out detailed and coherent explanations as to why they have the opinion that they do. That, in and of itself, speaks volumes.

Not at all true. Plenty of legitimate reasons have been offered by me and others in this thread. The oversimplification as "shady" or "dishonest" of a complicated discussion into the various credible motivations behind priceless sales offers is not defensible.

[JollyElm]

Does common sense ever come into play on these boards?? Ever??

I don't sell anything here, so I don't have a horse in the race as the saying goes. But why in hell would you force people to list sell prices? The boards are filled with threads saying something to the effect of "Can you believe how much the (enter specific card here) sold by (enter AH or ebay seller name here) went for last night???" And the prices realized are always way over the top. So if someone is looking to sell a rare card, they want to get as much as they possibly can for it, don't they?? Capitalism. So there has to be some leeway with people looking to sell their goods here. If you're interested in the card, send the user a PM and negotiate with him. But, if for some reason you're upset or offended by this like an entitled little kid, then ignore people who don't list prices. Common frickin' sense.

And let's say you're able to convince Leon to make a rule forcing everyone to list a selling price on the B/S/T. The first thing I would do if I decided to sell anything would be to list it like this:
For Sale: Bernie Carbo rookie card for sale. $1,000,000 or best offer.

I posted a price, didn't I? The rule was obeyed. Now what? Are you going to lobby Leon to force people to list 'reasonable' selling prices now? And which of you people is going to be the official arbiter of what a reasonable price is, huh????

Come on!!!!!

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Does common sense ever come into play on these boards?? Ever??

I don't sell anything here, so I don't have a horse in the race as the saying goes. But why in hell would you force people to list sell prices? The boards are filled with threads saying something to the effect of "Can you believe how much the (enter specific card here) sold by (enter AH or ebay seller name here) went for last night???" And the prices realized are always way over the top. So if someone is looking to sell a rare card, they want to get as much as they possibly can for it, don't they?? Capitalism. So there has to be some leeway with people looking to sell their goods here. If you're interested in the card, send the user a PM and negotiate with him. But, if for some reason you're upset or offended by this like an entitled little kid, then ignore people who don't list prices. Common frickin' sense.

And let's say you're able to convince Leon to make a rule forcing everyone to list a selling price on the B/S/T. The first thing I would do if I decided to sell anything would be to list it like this:
For Sale: Bernie Carbo rookie card for sale. $1,000,000 or best offer.

I posted a price, didn't I? The rule was obeyed. Now what? Are you going to lobby Leon to force people to list 'reasonable' selling prices now? And which of you people is going to be the official arbiter of what a reasonable price is, huh????

Come on!!!!!

+1, I hear you!!

[Piratedogcardshows]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Does common sense ever come into play on these boards?? Ever??

I don't sell anything here, so I don't have a horse in the race as the saying goes. But why in hell would you force people to list sell prices? The boards are filled with threads saying something to the effect of "Can you believe how much the (enter specific card here) sold by (enter AH or ebay seller name here) went for last night???" And the prices realized are always way over the top. So if someone is looking to sell a rare card, they want to get as much as they possibly can for it, don't they?? Capitalism. So there has to be some leeway with people looking to sell their goods here. If you're interested in the card, send the user a PM and negotiate with him. But, if for some reason you're upset or offended by this like an entitled little kid, then ignore people who don't list prices. Common frickin' sense.

And let's say you're able to convince Leon to make a rule forcing everyone to list a selling price on the B/S/T. The first thing I would do if I decided to sell anything would be to list it like this:
For Sale: Bernie Carbo rookie card for sale. $1,000,000 or best offer.

I posted a price, didn't I? The rule was obeyed. Now what? Are you going to lobby Leon to force people to list 'reasonable' selling prices now? And which of you people is going to be the official arbiter of what a reasonable price is, huh????

Come on!!!!!

Very good post. I have zero problem Pm'ing someone if I want the card listed. A lack of price would not deter me. Its slow going for my interests so I cant be picky.