1952 3rd Series Gray Backs vs. 1960 5th Series White Backs

[Zach Wheat]

Originally Posted by mckinneyj

Found an example of the white back / cream back comparison here, about halfway down the page - http://community.ebay.com/t5/Archive...s/td-p/2744817

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[SMPEP]

And see ... the thing is ... with the way cards are photo shopped ... you don't really know that there is a color difference between these two.

One set I collect actively is the 1923 W572s. I'm working on the master set for sepia and Black&white versions for each card. The distinction between the two is pretty noticeable (at least as noticeable as these two cards shown). But I can't count the number of times I bought what the photo showed to be a B&W version, only to get it and found out it is the sepia version. The only way I can even find B&Ws on Ebay is if the seller has multiple cards for sale - and then I can compare his style of picture taking among a few cards. Even then ... my odds are still less than 100%.

I honestly would even doubt the existence of the White backs ... if I had not seen them in person once. And even seeing them in person, the ones I saw were gem mint type cards. Straight from the pack. So was this what the creams looked like originally, and some were exposed to sun and the color changed a bit or was there a real paper difference?

All I know is ... fortunately for me, I'm not a big fan of the 1960 set. I barely wanted to complete it. I certainly don't need either variation!

Cheers,
Patrick

[ALR-bishop]

None of us really need variations/variants...or even the common version of the card....or even a 52 Reiser gray back....but

[Zach Wheat]

Originally Posted by SMPEP

And see ... the thing is ... with the way cards are photo shopped ... you don't really know that there is a color difference between these two.

One set I collect actively is the 1923 W572s. I'm working on the master set for sepia and Black&white versions for each card. The distinction between the two is pretty noticeable (at least as noticeable as these two cards shown). But I can't count the number of times I bought what the photo showed to be a B&W version, only to get it and found out it is the sepia version. The only way I can even find B&Ws on Ebay is if the seller has multiple cards for sale - and then I can compare his style of picture taking among a few cards. Even then ... my odds are still less than 100%.

I honestly would even doubt the existence of the White backs ... if I had not seen them in person once. And even seeing them in person, the ones I saw were gem mint type cards. Straight from the pack. So was this what the creams looked like originally, and some were exposed to sun and the color changed a bit or was there a real paper difference?

All I know is ... fortunately for me, I'm not a big fan of the 1960 set. I barely wanted to complete it. I certainly don't need either variation!

Cheers,
Patrick

Patrick,

These are from my 1960 set. I only have a couple "white backs". The distinction is not easy to see - but I believe they were there from printing.

Here are the 3 different backs for a side-to-side comparison.....harder to see in the scan, but the shading difference is more obvious when you compare a lot of them with their backs facing up. Undoubtedly some of the whitish tan colors have changed with age. I have owned these for 35+ years, stored the same way in the same binder. The shading is easier to see in person than in scans.

Z

[SMPEP]

Thanks for that Zach! Of course from the photo, I personally can't see much difference. But like I said, I saw some high grade ones of these a few years ago - and they did look different. But I think your photos shows exactly why these aren't more popular. They are hard to see unless you are in person. Who's going to find them on Ebay? And if you're trying to complete the set - how many nationals would you need to go to to complete it?

I'll stick to my grey backs Al! (Even if I curse Mr. Reiser on a daily basis!)

Cheers,
Patrick

[droid714]

I'll stick to my grey backs Al! (Even if I curse Mr. Reiser on a daily basis!)

Cheers,
Patrick[/QUOTE]

Why do you curse Mr. Reiser on a daily basis?

John

[ALR-bishop]

John---find him in grey back and ask him