Was told to post these pins in here so I am.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by EYECOLLECTVINTAGE

If anyone is interested in any i will be offering any of them in trade and sale other than the jackies. Looking for rare Jackie stuff or graded jackie Robinson cards. With trade a bunch for one nice card. Thanks

There are a few JR items in the current Hunt auction:

http://huntauctions.com/phone/current.cfm

[EYECOLLECTVINTAGE]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

There are a few JR items in the current Hunt auction:

http://huntauctions.com/phone/current.cfm

Thanks im gonna check it out.

[Exhibitman]

FWIW, when I started collecting pins years ago virtually none of them had the dangly crap on them. A few years ago I started seeing them more and more on eBay. IMO the vast majority of them are Frankenstein creations of vintage pins, charms and mini-pennants. As I am not expert enough in pins to separate the modern monsters from the real deals I simply will not buy any pin with 'pin-nuts'.

ETA: what the other guys said: learn first then make purchases. And I'd start with just a few items that you want to keep, not with thousands of dollars of stuff you hope you can flip. This is a hobby that requires considerable expertise at the dealer levels and novice collectors are setting themselves up for losses if they try to buy high end stuff to flip before learning what they are buying.

[Bugsy]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

IMO the vast majority of them are Frankenstein creations of vintage pins, charms and mini-pennants.

I completely agree. I also think this case isn't something as innocent as bundling items to make the lot look more appealing. I think it is a slimey practice of intentionally making these items appear that they were originally issued together that way. Frankenstein is the perfect word.

[MK]

I would agree that many pins on eBay and other auctions have ribbons or pennants added which were not original. Some are very obvious, some are not. If one looks through Muchinsky's book they will see a large percentage of his pins had some type of attachment. Those of us who are old enough to remember going to ballparks in the 50's and 60's, saw vendors selling pins adorned with attachments. Ribbons, tinkets......anything to make their pins stand out from the vendor next to them selling the same pins. I am sure they were added by each individual vendor, but they were original to the pin at that time.

I particularly like pins with attached ribbons containing printing denoting special events: World Series, All Star Game, etc. I believe this can add to a pins value. The attached photo show two pins which I believe have less value if the ribbon is not present. But that's just me.

[MK]

Here is another photo showing vendors in New York selling pins in the 1950s.

[Hankphenom]

Personally, I love the ribbons and charms of all kinds, but you do have to be careful and know what you're doing, there are a lot of "Frankensteins" out there. Time and experience will provide some sense of what is period and what's not.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

FWIW, when I started collecting pins years ago virtually none of them had the dangly crap on them. A few years ago I started seeing them more and more on eBay. IMO the vast majority of them are Frankenstein creations of vintage pins, charms and mini-pennants. As I am not expert enough in pins to separate the modern monsters from the real deals I simply will not buy any pin with 'pin-nuts'.

I can't agree, Adam. Yes, there are many sellers (one on particular) who are adding things that never came with the pins. Buy many, if not most, PM-10's were originally sold with the (predominantly) red, white and blue ribbons and various trinkets.

[Hankphenom]

As a pin guy, I find this discussion of pins and how they were sold originally quite interesting. Does Muchinsky discuss this aspect? Here are several questions/observations for the experts out there:

1) I would guess that most pins sold at or outside stadiums throughout the years were sold originally with something attached in the way of ribbons, charms, trinkets, etc. I can actually remember seeing pins at Griffith Stadium in the 1950s that had rabbit's feet and knives attached! It's my assumption that most of the pins we see "naked" these days had lost their attachments over the years.
2) I doubt if vendors would have been going to the trouble of attaching things to naked pins, I suspect they would have bought them one way or the other and sold them as is.
3) I love the picture of the Yankees pins. Anybody else have photos of vendor or stadium displays? How about yearbooks, where there would be a page of concession items sometimes? Here's a link to a stand of "1924 Pennant Winners" pins sold outside of Griffith Stadium during the series. I think the baseballs might have been candy containers. http://rmyauctions.com/lot-937.aspx
Here's another picture of this pin as auctioned, but I'm not sure if the ribbon and charm are original.

[MK]

I believe the vendors did in fact attach the hangers to the pins after they received them from distributors. Ribbons and cheap tinkets added to the appeal when they hung them on their boards for sale. The better the item added, the more alluring to the buyer.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by MK

I believe the vendors did in fact attach the hangers to the pins after they received them from distributors. Ribbons and cheap tinkets added to the appeal when they hung them on their boards for sale. The better the item added, the more alluring to the buyer.

But what is your evidence for this? Obviously, those things do add to the appeal, but why wouldn't the manufacturers and distributors want to take advantage of this, too, and why would vendors want to go to all the trouble of buying pins and add-ons separately and putting them together? Your Senators pin is a tough one, but I would say of the handful of examples I've seen over the years, three of them came the way yours is, which would lead me to conclude that that's the way they came to the vendors, and the ones without the baseball had simply lost it somewhere along the way. My example of that pin has the same "flag" ribbon, but with metal glove and ball charms, which I'm guessing is a Frankenstein put together by a dealer.

[batsballsbases]

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