Was told to post these pins in here so I am.

[MK]

I believe the vendors did in fact attach the hangers to the pins after they received them from distributors. Ribbons and cheap tinkets added to the appeal when they hung them on their boards for sale. The better the item added, the more alluring to the buyer.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by MK

I believe the vendors did in fact attach the hangers to the pins after they received them from distributors. Ribbons and cheap tinkets added to the appeal when they hung them on their boards for sale. The better the item added, the more alluring to the buyer.

But what is your evidence for this? Obviously, those things do add to the appeal, but why wouldn't the manufacturers and distributors want to take advantage of this, too, and why would vendors want to go to all the trouble of buying pins and add-ons separately and putting them together? Your Senators pin is a tough one, but I would say of the handful of examples I've seen over the years, three of them came the way yours is, which would lead me to conclude that that's the way they came to the vendors, and the ones without the baseball had simply lost it somewhere along the way. My example of that pin has the same "flag" ribbon, but with metal glove and ball charms, which I'm guessing is a Frankenstein put together by a dealer.

[Hankphenom]

Incidentally, looking at the 1924 "Pennant Winners" pin and the Senators pin together would certainly seem to provide a good date for the Senators pin, which would be hard to guess otherwise from the graphics alone.

[MK]

I don't have any proof the attachments were added by the sellers. Just my opinion. Muchinsky did state in his book that the attachments were usually added by the vendors to add to their appeal. He also told about a veteran collector who recalled seeing vendors adding ribbons and charms to pins outside Yankee Stadium and Ebbets Field.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by MK

I don't have any proof the attachments were added by the sellers. Just my opinion. Muchinsky did state in his book that the attachments were usually added by the vendors to add to their appeal. He also told about a veteran collector who recalled seeing vendors adding ribbons and charms to pins outside Yankee Stadium and Ebbets Field.

Likewise, I don't have anything to dispute it, just a feeling of greater likelihood that assembly would have been done at the source to enhance attractiveness and sales. Wonder if there's much in the way of information on manufacturers or distributors out there, does Muchinsky go into that? I need to get his book. I'll also grill Rick Haskins at the national this summer about some of these things, he's seen as many pinbacks as anybody.

[ooo-ribay]

Who is Rick Haskins?

[mjkm90]

Why don't you simply REMOVE the add-ons if you don't like them...problem solved

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Who is Rick Haskins?

Long-time dealer from Texas who always has the biggest assortment of vintage pennants and pins at the National.

[batsballsbases]

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[EYECOLLECTVINTAGE]

Wow I love the traction this thread gained!! Love the information! This is amazing and I'm learning so much!

[batsballsbases]

Originally Posted by EYECOLLECTVINTAGE

Wow I love the traction this thread gained!! Love the information! This is amazing and I'm learning so much!

Just a little curious is that you now on ebay as Findnsell2u.. It seems to me you know alot more about things than you say!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by batsballsbases

Just a little curious is that you now on ebay as Findnsell2u.. It seems to me you know alot more about things than you say!

I could be wrong, but if you are just buying these to resell and profit, it seems inappropriate to be continuously asking experts like Al for advice on every item you are thinking of buying. You came across as a new collector looking to get grounded but that doesn't seem to be the case.

[EYECOLLECTVINTAGE]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I could be wrong, but if you are just buying these to resell and profit, it seems inappropriate to be continuously asking experts like Al for advice on every item you are thinking of buying. You came across as a new collector looking to get grounded but that doesn't seem to be the case.

I am a new collector to vintage cards and pins etc. I have had memorabilia my whole life and collected new sports cards. I believe I stated elsewhere on this forum that my intention with these pins was to buy these and sell them all except for the Jackies. I was hoping to get the Jackies for free by doing this. I am a huge jackie collector, and paid about 900 dollars for the jackie pins and 3200 for the lot total. So I was hoping I could make a 20-25% profit by doing this and get my Jackies for free. I have lived on this site the past few weeks reading thread after thread to gain as much knowledge as possible. I am looking to get grounded here and trying to absorb all the knowledge I can. I am sorry if it came off that way as it definitely is not my intention. I LOVE buying and selling so please don't get me wrong, but before everything else I have a die hard passion for collecting. Brooklyn Dodgers and Yankees vintage especially. I hate that it looks the way you are saying because that is totally not me. Just alone this past month for my own collection I purchased:

1949 Bowman PSA 7 Jackie Robinson
1956 Topps PSA 7 Jackie Robinson
1940 Play Ball PSA 4.5 Joe Jackson
1958 Topps All-Stars PSA 7 Mickey Mantle
1934 Quaker Oats pin PSA 8 Babe Ruth
B18 Blanket Joe Jackson
Ferguson Bakery Pennant Joe Jackson
Assorted Jackie Pins

The ONLY stuff I attempted to sell on here was my vintage memorabilia I have had already from prior collecting, my SGC Christy Mathewson which I bought for resale as well as my Joe D Leaf PSA 3 which I also bought for resale and my walter johnson B18 Blanket. I believe all my threads will back me up. If you read my posts you can tell I'm still very green with the vintage card collecting which is why I ask.

I was wrong on the hank aaron rookie (FAKE), ted williams leaf card (FAKE), and a ungraded ty cobb red portrait (altered) and mantle 60 topps (NM but graded 5). I have been able to get my money back BUT lesson learned to stay away from raw cards like you guys have been saying.

I have read posts on pins here, bond bread cards, bobble heads, grading companies etc etc and it has been MORE than helpful... but please do not make me look like something I am not. I am a young guy just learning and also trying to make a buck in the process to support my family.

Hope this clarifies everything.

[Leon]

Thanks for the explanation for others (I didn't need one). You are doing fine. Keep doing what you are doing. Many, if not most of us, buy and sell to support our habit collection. ALL of us who have been doing this long enough have bought/traded for a fake/altered card or memorabilia before. It's part of how we learn. And if anyone hasn't, then they haven't bought and sold enough for long enough....

Originally Posted by EYECOLLECTVINTAGE

I am a new collector to vintage cards and pins etc. I have had memorabilia my whole life and collected new sports cards. I believe I stated elsewhere on this forum that my intention with these pins was to buy these and sell them all except for the Jackies. I was hoping to get the Jackies for free by doing this. I am a huge jackie collector, and paid about 900 dollars for the jackie pins and 3200 for the lot total. So I was hoping I could make a 20-25% profit by doing this and get my Jackies for free. I have lived on this site the past few weeks reading thread after thread to gain as much knowledge as possible. I am looking to get grounded here and trying to absorb all the knowledge I can. I am sorry if it came off that way as it definitely is not my intention. I LOVE buying and selling so please don't get me wrong, but before everything else I have a die hard passion for collecting. Brooklyn Dodgers and Yankees vintage especially. I hate that it looks the way you are saying because that is totally not me. Just alone this past month for my own collection I purchased:

1949 Bowman PSA 7 Jackie Robinson
1956 Topps PSA 7 Jackie Robinson
1940 Play Ball PSA 4.5 Joe Jackson
1958 Topps All-Stars PSA 7 Mickey Mantle
1934 Quaker Oats pin PSA 8 Babe Ruth
B18 Blanket Joe Jackson
Ferguson Bakery Pennant Joe Jackson
Assorted Jackie Pins

The ONLY stuff I attempted to sell on here was my vintage memorabilia I have had already from prior collecting, my SGC Christy Mathewson which I bought for resale as well as my Joe D Leaf PSA 3 which I also bought for resale and my walter johnson B18 Blanket. I believe all my threads will back me up. If you read my posts you can tell I'm still very green with the vintage card collecting which is why I ask.

I was wrong on the hank aaron rookie (FAKE), ted williams leaf card (FAKE), and a ungraded ty cobb red portrait (altered) and mantle 60 topps (NM but graded 5). I have been able to get my money back BUT lesson learned to stay away from raw cards like you guys have been saying.

I have read posts on pins here, bond bread cards, bobble heads, grading companies etc etc and it has been MORE than helpful... but please do not make me look like something I am not. I am a young guy just learning and also trying to make a buck in the process to support my family.

Hope this clarifies everything.