Greatest All-Time Dodgers question

[jason.1969]

Bill, I think you read the posts wrong. Drysdale was only off the list when I made a typo. And then the OP dropped Martinez to make room again for the Big D.

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by jason.1969

Bill, I think you read the posts wrong. Drysdale was only off the list when I made a typo. And then the OP dropped Martinez to make room again for the Big D.

It looked to me like he was switching Martinez in place of Drysdale. If it's the reverse, ok then. I will withdraw my point of contention there. Thank God, because my head was going to explode. I know how easy it is to forget about a guy (see my head scratching omission of Christy Mathewson in the all-time pitchers discussion a few months ago).

But he still needs to include all the players in the franchise's history. Greatness is greatness, and limiting it to only the Los Angeles years needlessly excludes a lot of the game's best.

[the 'stache]

Jason, the confusion for me was how HBB worded his choice changes.

In one post, he says "Switch out Mike Marshall for Carl Erskine", meaning Marshall is in, Erskine is out.

Then he says, "Yes, I'm going to swap out Ramon Martinez for Drysdale." If he is being consistent, that means Martinez is in place of Drysdale.

No biggie. Drysdale is on the list, that's all that matters.

[hawaiian bam bam]

bill , you need to relax bro, this is for fun not to have a coronary about things! geez! relax!

my wording might be confusing but it makes sense to me and in the end thats what matters most. sorry you didnt understand what i was trying to say. the majority of folks understood it, so its a mute point.

if i picked all of the brooklyn greats then yes i could pick a complete 25 member team with just brooklyn dodgers. for example if i picked pitcher bob longtooth, how many people would know him? or even saw him pitch? if i say sandy koufax or clayton kershaw, how many people know them and how many people actually saw them play? a whole lot more. if i picked first baseman tom big bottoms, who would know him? probably no one, but if i say steve garvey, 99.9% of people even not dodgers fans, will know him or have seen him play.
again, yes i can build a team of a bunch of people no one has heard off that were great"back in the day" but what fun would that be? with the exception of grimes, wheat etc.

i think people like players they connect with. for some when people say dodgers they think robinson, hodges, reese, koufax, drysdale hershisher, piazza, garvey, snider scully, lasorda , valenzuela. for others when they think dodgers they think cox, johnson, smith, taylor and morgan. to each their own, im trying to pik a team of greats that are legends, legens to me are players that EVERYONE knows like koufax, drysdale jackie robinson duke sniooder, orel and fernando. every dodger fan knows them!

lets have fun with this and not try to have a heart attack about "wording" or how one interprets or reads things.

[the 'stache]

Oh, I'm good, and enjoying the topic, HBB. The Dodgers are not my team, but I certainly love reading about them, or talking about them. In fact, some of my all-time favorite players have been Trolley Dodgers. Ask me how many times I've watched Brooklyn Dodgers: The Ghosts of Flatbush HBO documentary, which is perma-saved on my DVR. If I could go back in time, I'd live in Brooklyn in the 1950s, and walk to Ebbets Field with Duke and Oisk. There was something very special in Brooklyn-a real sense of community, and I don't know if it's been replicated since.

The average baseball fan today would have no clue who Eddie Collins was. Should he be excluded from the all-time Athletics team, if we had that discussion, just because the average fan is devoid of historical appreciation? Not in my opinion. But that's just my opinion. Like I said, it's your list, and you can do it however you want. I'm happy to contribute if I can. I just want to be true to the established parameters.

And BTW, when I say something like "my head is about to explode", it's not meant to be indicative of some impending myocardial infarction. Rather, I couldn't believe that one of the all-time great Dodgers was going to be excluded. Perhaps I over embellished there. That's my bad. I was trying to convey absolute shock. I do that sometimes.

If you want to build the team from players that have name recognition only, we can do that. But some great players like the aforementioned Zack Wheat, and Nap Rucker, will be overlooked in the process.



Let Nap in! (I had to, one of my favorite cards from the T206 set)
38 career shutouts, 4th best all-time for the franchise behind Sutton, Drysdale and Koufax.

[hawaiian bam bam]

no problem at all, glad your enjoying this thread, it is fun!

[hawaiian bam bam]

still working on my list. its becoming tougher and tougher to cut players as when i was comparing stats, pedro guerrero has better stats than dusty baker, johnny podres has better stats than carl erskine, and andre either is quietly approaching the top 10 all time in home runs. eric gagne is out because of PED use.