Greatest All-Time Dodgers question

[hawaiian bam bam]

thank you for your post. i think ill revise the question how about the greatest LOS ANGELES dodgers, ill still include the brooklyn dodger HOFers, but i dont want to add players from hundreds of years ago that no one really knows unless they are baseball buffs like us! but looking more for a greatest team that most people will know for example the average fan might not know who wheat or camilli are but i think everyone knows who jackie robinson, reese, snider, campy hodges are.

so now with the new clarification, who is your LOS ANGELES dodgers all time greats list/team?

also, i picked dave hansen because i believe he is the dodgers all time pinch hit king

[Topps206]

How about some love for Burleigh Grimes?

[Beatles Guy]

I'd take Steve Sax over Dave Hansen.

[KCRfan1]

I would add Carl Erskine. Life long Dodger between Brooklyn and LA, threw 2 no-hitters, and a 20 game winner in 1953. I know this is your list, but it's hard for me to view a player as a " great " if they are with the team for only 2 or 3 years.

[hawaiian bam bam]

yes, erskine was one of the last players i cut from my list. i might have to re add him.

sax was right behind erskine, i picked hansen solely because he is the all time dodgers pinch hit king. sax was a very, very good dodger but not sure about one of the greatest dodgers (top 25)

i agree about players not being great after only a couple or few seasons with the dodgers. i was looking at a few different all time dodgers lists on the internet(google search) and some lists have shawn green, gary sheffield and adrian beltre on it. all great dodger "seasons" but i think green and sheffield only played a couple or few seasons with the dodgers. he only played a few seasons for the dodgers

mike marshall (pitcher) was a dominant dodgers reliever, but some say the best dodgers closer ever? he only played a few seasons for the dodgers! i think i would rather give the ball to eric gagne than mike marshall!

same with kirk gibson almost every list has gibson listed as a dodger gall time great. we all know he had that great home run, but besides that, is he really a dodgers all time great. all time greatest dodger hr run, i can see , but should he be mentioned in the same breath as koufax, hershiser, snider, reese, robinson, drysdale, hodges, campanella etc?

[39special]

Don't forget Carl Furillo

[hawaiian bam bam]

yes! perhaps switch out reggie smith for carl furillo? i like reggie, but after looking at numbers furillo might be a better fir for one of the spots on my list.

[39special]

Furillo is forgotten on a lot of lists. He was a hell or a right fielder.

[hawaiian bam bam]

Also to answer a post from above, burleigh grimes was a heck of a pitcher. His stats are amazing however it's hard to find a spot in the rotation with koufax, drysdale, hershiser, valenzuela and sutton. also with ramon martinez and kershaw as my other pitchers. what do you guys also think about claude osteen, tommy john, jim brewer, hideo nomo and ron perransoki as pitchers?

[hawaiian bam bam]

Yes, I'm leaning toward switching out reggie smith for furillo and switching out mike Marshall the pitcher for Carl erskine . Thanks guys for your help with this! Any other swap outs on my list that you would recommend?

[FourStrikes]

Walter O'Malley belongs: no Walter = no LOS ANGELES Dodgers ( sorry Brooklyn )

[jason.1969]

I took the liberty of organizing your list into a roster by position. This may help how you think about your list and also help others think about who might be missing.

What you have already is a pretty well-rounded roster, particularly if you factor in the position versatility of some of the players. I've added in red text some other guys that I might throw in for consideration.

CATCHERS
Mike Piazza
Mike Scioscia
Roy Campanella

FIRST BASE
Steve Garvey
Eric Karros
Gil Hodges
Wes Parker - one of the best fielding 1B ever; I'd take him over Karros personally.

SECOND BASE
Dave Lopes
Jackie Robinson (could move to 3B or 1B)
Jim Gilliam (could move to 3B)

THIRD BASE
Ron Cey

SHORTSTOP
Bill Russell
Maury Wills
Pee Wee Reese

OUTFIELD
Kirk Gibson (could move to PH, as in 88 WS)
Pedro Guerrero (could move to 3B at your own risk!)
Dusty Baker
Tommy Davis
Carl Furillo
Duke Snider
Willie Davis
If you need a defensive specialist, remember Derrel Thomas?

STARTING PITCHERS
Sandy Koufax
Clayton Kershaw
Orel Hershiser
Fernando Valenzuela
Don Sutton
Don Newcombe
Claude Osteen
Carl Erskine
Ramon Martinez
Bob Welch had some good seasons and memorable moments.

RELIEF PITCHERS
Eric Gagne
Ron Perranoski

PINCH HITTERS
Manny Mota
Dave Hansen

MANAGERS
Tommy Lasorda
Walter Alston

ANNOUNCERS
Vin Scully

[cool-vintage]

RF: Darryl Strawberry
CF: Duke Snider
LF: Zack Wheat
1st: Dan Brouthers
2nd: Jackie Robinson
3rd: Ron Cey
SS: Pee Wee Reese
C: Mike Piazzia
P1: Sandy Koufax
P2: Greg Maddux
P3: Rube Marquard

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by hawaiian bam bam

thank you for your post. i think ill revise the question how about the greatest LOS ANGELES dodgers, ill still include the brooklyn dodger HOFers, but i dont want to add players from hundreds of years ago that no one really knows unless they are baseball buffs like us! but looking more for a greatest team that most people will know for example the average fan might not know who wheat or camilli are but i think everyone knows who jackie robinson, reese, snider, campy hodges are.

so now with the new clarification, who is your LOS ANGELES dodgers all time greats list/team?

also, i picked dave hansen because i believe he is the dodgers all time pinch hit king

Jackie Robinson never played for the Los Angeles Dodgers, and Pee Wee Reese played a grand total of 59 games in Los Angeles. If you are making it "only" Los Angeles players, that's fine, as it's your narrative. But you're excluding many of the greatest players the franchise ever had by doing so.

Any all-time Dodgers list without Wheat, Robinson or Reese isn't worth doing.

[the 'stache]

Pre-1950 was "hundreds of years ago"?

Dave Hansen is on your list because he leads the franchise in pinch hits? Hansen played 15 seasons in total, eleven with the Dodgers. In those eleven seasons, he was worth 3.6 wins to the team. He was worth less than one-third of a win annually to the franchise.

Yet you exclude Carl Erskine, who in 1953 had a WAR of 4.2 as he won 20 games for the Dodgers. Erskine, in one season, made more of a contribution than Hansen did in over a decade with the Dodgers.

I don't know if I would include Carl Erskine on the Dodgers all-time roster. But he sure as heck would make it long before Dave Hansen.