Old Judge Orotone Photo/Studio Proof "Jumbo" Davis **UPDATED**

[ramram]

Definitely not original to the case as the case would date to the 1860's. I would also have some doubts about the image, however, it would be interesting that it were a new pose.

Rob M

[GoCubsGo32]

I have talked to Joe G. and Jay (Old Judge) about the pose. They both agreed it is "Jumbo" Davis and the pose is new/unknown/unused. They both mention it's very similar to the 119-6.

However it looks like I have to remove it from the case to learn the truth about the photo. Welcome to more advice.

[prewarsports]

I echo what others have said about authenticity concerns. There would be no reason whatsoever to take an 1880's photograph, cut it down, then stick it in a case that would have been obsolete for two decades and was designed to protect more fragile forms of photography.

It would be like buying a brand new iPhone 6 and jamming it in a Walkman case from the 1980's. If things don't make sense, it usually points to someone trying to pass something off as being older than it is.

[GoCubsGo32]

I'm going to remove the photo out of the frame carefully to examine it more. Does any one know which area is best to remove the photo out?

Green arrow (remove the tan part out) vs Red arrow (removing gold frame). It's pretty snug in there....

[ramram]

Typically, if its not overly snug, you hold the edges and hold it upside down and gently tap it down into your other open hand underneath it and the brass trim and image should come out. the felt trim should stay within the case. Kinda hard to explain in words.

[1880nonsports]

if it doesn't easily "tap out" would be to apply a suction cup to the front glass. If that doesn't work - CAREFULLY use a thin blade in the area you marked with the R E D arrow. NO pressure as you don't really want to damage the rails of the albeit generic and inexpensive paper case.
My guess would have been that it's an N173 cut down (real or photocopy) but the guys you mentioned are more knowledgeable (and maybe smarter) than I. It's not a fantasy item and appears too wide to be an OJ insert.

[oldjudge]

The pose is not a known one. However, to be period it would have to be an albumen print. The fact that it is not leads me to believe that it was made later, possibly from then existing genuine glass plate negatives. It could be Vermont Find related, or just some other later construct.