HELP!!! - E95 Philadelphia Caramel Cobb Variation?

[shammus]

I should add, that my card is a blank back also and I feel there's maybe one other blank back out there which we never determined the origins for. It was a nice bit of detective work by a couple of our members to determine the origins of the version of this card that has the advertising on the back though....

[Jobu]

Here is another blank back Cobb (this same pair also sold at Legendary in 2009). It lacks the writing in the background:

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/lot-114794.aspx

Originally Posted by shammus

I should add, that my card is a blank back also and I feel there's maybe one other blank back out there which we never determined the origins for. It was a nice bit of detective work by a couple of our members to determine the origins of the version of this card that has the advertising on the back though....

[Leon]

Good info..
Either the Cobb mentioned in the first post has a poor scan and the things around it aren't poorly scanned (not sure how that could be) or it is a reprint as the lithography isn't as crisp as the others are.

Originally Posted by Jobu

Here is another blank back Cobb (this same pair also sold at Legendary in 2009). It lacks the writing in the background:

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/lot-114794.aspx

[ullmandds]

card op posted appears to be fake...the edges look artificially aged...the colors washed out...and the stock just looks wrong...to me.

I have seen a few genuine examples of this card over my lifetime and the colors are always quite vivid.

[egbeachley]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

card op posted appears to be fake...the edges look artificially aged...the colors washed out...and the stock just looks wrong...to me.
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Agree. Plus the scratches by his left shoulder are identical to the original from the link above. It's a worthless copy.

[byrdman65]

This is a new picture. Unfortunately this is the best I can do due to the quality of scanner that I have. I appreciate all the honesty I have received from the board members. However, I did not post this to verify whether it is an original or a worthless copy. I wanted to find out the origin of this variation. Shammus (and others) have given me more information than I have had and I am quite sure that they are correct in their theory.
I am quite certain this card is the same as the Shammus card (if I may refer to it that way). The card looks genuinely old as I hold it in my hand. It was found with other candy/ice cream cards produced at/near Philadelphia. If you blow up the photo, on the bottom right you will see a small red line, the same border line as found on the Shammus card.
Any other information or theories on this variation would be nice. I can also handle more criticism in my quest to verify this card 100%. I realize I am not holding on to a Honus Wagner T206 card so I pose these questions to the board.

PSA is going to be at the Chicago show in November. Could they verify authenticity or the age of this card?
If it is verified, would other members on this board recommend grading it?

[Luke]

Yeah definitely a copy/reprint of the previously posted card.

[shammus]

Originally Posted by byrdman65

This is a new picture. Unfortunately this is the best I can do due to the quality of scanner that I have. I appreciate all the honesty I have received from the board members. However, I did not post this to verify whether it is an original or a worthless copy. I wanted to find out the origin of this variation. Shammus (and others) have given me more information than I have had and I am quite sure that they are correct in their theory.
I am quite certain this card is the same as the Shammus card (if I may refer to it that way). The card looks genuinely old as I hold it in my hand. It was found with other candy/ice cream cards produced at/near Philadelphia. If you blow up the photo, on the bottom right you will see a small red line, the same border line as found on the Shammus card.
Any other information or theories on this variation would be nice. I can also handle more criticism in my quest to verify this card 100%. I realize I am not holding on to a Honus Wagner T206 card so I pose these questions to the board.

PSA is going to be at the Chicago show in November. Could they verify authenticity or the age of this card?
If it is verified, would other members on this board recommend grading it?

I'm a little confused about your post. You say that you did not post about the card to verify whether it's an original or a worthless copy. But then you say that you're on a "quest to verify the card 100%". What are you hoping to verify exactly?

You also mention that you're quite sure we're correct about our theory, but then you turn right around in the next sentence and say that you're certain your card is the same as mine. Yes, there are similarities between the two cards, but IMO, that is due to your card being a photocopied version of mine. The fact that your card displays the exact same flaws as mine (identical creases and little nicks), combined with it's exceptionally pixelly appearance (always a telltale sign of a forgery), leads me to say with 110% certainty that our two cards are not the same as one is real and the other is fake.

All that being said, I'd definitely encourage you to have it looked at professionally. I realize I'm just a random stranger on a message board and I don't expect you to put a lot of stock into what I'm saying. Peter was kind enough to volunteer to meet you at the Chicago show so I hope you're able to run into him there. It sounds like you've had the card awhile and you're excited about it, so you should definitely have it checked out in person if you feel strongly about it. But you might keep in mind what myself and others have told you already as I don't expect you'll be given good news in the end.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Jobu

Here is another blank back Cobb (this same pair also sold at Legendary in 2009). It lacks the writing in the background:

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/lot-114794.aspx

this is an e95...maybe cut from a sheet...not to be confused with the super tough cobb...without cobb caption at the bottom...with writing in middle most likely cut from a box.

[Jobu]

Thanks for clarifying that Pete.

Originally Posted by ullmandds

this is an e95...maybe cut from a sheet...not to be confused with the super tough cobb...without cobb caption at the bottom...with writing in middle most likely cut from a box.

[shammus]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

this is an e95...maybe cut from a sheet...not to be confused with the super tough cobb...without cobb caption at the bottom...with writing in middle most likely cut from a box.

That Cobb from Legendary looks like one of the 1913 Notebook cards actually....

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by shammus

That Cobb from Legendary looks like one of the 1913 Notebook cards actually....

u are correct!