51 mantle

JustinD · #1 10-28-2015, 06:30 AM

Jackson -

This is just a friendly welcome and advice. I see you are new to the board and maybe young or just starting out in this. Let me tell you something that I wished I started out with- if something is too good to be true, spend your money on lottery tickets...its a better gamble.

This one and the Mays you posted were worth less than a dollar. You could have maybe spent your money on a mid grade 60s mantle and had a nice card. Till you get the skills to buy the raw cards, stick to graded examples so you know what the real thing looks like.

The seller you bought this from sells only reprints and is currently listing an auto ruth, auto gehrig and a 52 mantle for a dollar. This is your sign friend, if anyone had those cards they would not be looking for a few dollars and stating they are ungraded so they are forced to sell as a reprint. If the seller states reprint anywhere...its a reprint. At least he was nice enough to hide the truth in plain sight. It's like adding a "please" to your bank robbery note to the teller.

Start slow and build friend. There are collectors that collect for 50 years and die without a 51 mantle, that's a expensive piece. Start with the late 60s and work backwards.

This is a friendly board (usually,lol) they will all help you learn and grow.

iwantitiwinit · #2 10-28-2015, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by JustinD

Jackson -

This is just a friendly welcome and advice. I see you are new to the board and maybe young or just starting out in this. Let me tell you something that I wished I started out with- if something is too good to be true, spend your money on lottery tickets...its a better gamble.

This one and the Mays you posted were worth less than a dollar. You could have maybe spent your money on a mid grade 60s mantle and had a nice card. Till you get the skills to buy the raw cards, stick to graded examples so you know what the real thing looks like.

The seller you bought this from sells only reprints and is currently listing an auto ruth, auto gehrig and a 52 mantle for a dollar. This is your sign friend, if anyone had those cards they would not be looking for a few dollars and stating they are ungraded so they are forced to sell as a reprint. If the seller states reprint anywhere...its a reprint. At least he was nice enough to hide the truth in plain sight. It's like adding a "please" to your bank robbery note to the teller.

Start slow and build friend. There are collectors that collect for 50 years and die without a 51 mantle, that's a expensive piece. Start with the late 60s and work backwards.

This is a friendly board (usually,lol) they will all help you learn and grow.

Another tip-off is if the seller has previously listed many graded cards for sale. If he has previously listed graded cards for sale why would this card a potentially high value 51 bowman mantle not be graded? There's a good reason why, that's because its fake.

bobbyw8469 · #3 10-28-2015, 07:14 AM

Great post above me! As far as sending that Mantle in - DON'T DO IT! Due to the 'perceived' value, you have to send it in under a more pricey service ($25-$50). The card is an obvious fake. You don't even have a 5% chance of it being real. You have a ZERO percent chance of it being real. Take the money you were going to spend to get it graded and buy a book on how to spot fake cards. I got a couple good ones at home, but the name escapes me at the moment. I can give you the titles later if interested.

bnorth · #4 10-28-2015, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Great post above me! As far as sending that Mantle in - DON'T DO IT! Due to the 'perceived' value, you have to send it in under a more pricey service ($25-$50). The card is an obvious fake. You don't even have a 5% chance of it being real. You have a ZERO percent chance of it being real. Take the money you were going to spend to get it graded and buy a book on how to spot fake cards. I got a couple good ones at home, but the name escapes me at the moment. I can give you the titles later if interested.

Fellow member Bob Lemke has a decent book on detecting fake cards it is called Sportscard Counterfeit Detector.

bobbyw8469 · #5 10-28-2015, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by bnorth

Fellow member Bob Lemke has a decent book on detecting fake cards it is called Sportscard Counterfeit Detector.

I think that is one of the ones I have! That IS a great book! It helped me greatly on those pesky 1986 Fleer Basketball cards that were always giving me trouble.

jackson84 · #6 10-28-2015, 01:07 PM

Im not the seller. I appreciate everyones feedback. Im still waiting on the card in the mail and when i receive it i will have a better feel and look at it. I will still send it in to be graded and let everyone know if they are right or wrong.

4815162342 · #7 10-28-2015, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jackson84

Im not the seller. I appreciate everyones feedback. Im still waiting on the card in the mail and when i receive it i will have a better feel and look at it. I will still send it in to be graded and let everyone know if they are right or wrong.

Why are you going against everyone's advice?

PolarBear · #8 10-28-2015, 01:14 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qKcJF4fOPs

bobbyw8469 · #9 10-28-2015, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jackson84

Im not the seller. I appreciate everyones feedback. Im still waiting on the card in the mail and when i receive it i will have a better feel and look at it. I will still send it in to be graded and let everyone know if they are right or wrong.

Well....like PT Barnum said.....

Leon · #10 10-28-2015, 02:26 PM

To be perfectly clear there is 0.00% chance it is real. But if you put REPRINT on the submission a TPG might take your money and label it a reprint for you.

jackson84 · #11 10-28-2015, 03:09 PM

I had already made the purchase before i posted here. Not that i want to go against advice but i had already paid for it so figured id check it out and hope for the best

bnorth · #12 10-28-2015, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jackson84

Im not the seller. I appreciate everyones feedback. Im still waiting on the card in the mail and when i receive it i will have a better feel and look at it. I will still send it in to be graded and let everyone know if they are right or wrong.

If you want it to pass I would suggest Global Authority/GAI or whatever it is called now. None of the big 3 will grade that. You can buy 51 Bowman Mantles and several others off etsy for $3.95 each just like the one pictured in post #1.

FourStrikes · #13 10-28-2015, 03:19 PM

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asphaltman · #14 10-28-2015, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jackson84

I had already made the purchase before i posted here. Not that i want to go against advice but i had already paid for it so figured id check it out and hope for the best

The point is you can just send it back to the seller and just be out your return shipping costs. Makes zero cents to throw another $75 into this card to get it graded, return shpping to you, etc.

There is no "best" to hope for with that card.

JustinD · #15 10-28-2015, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by asphaltman

The point is you can just send it back to the seller and just be out your return shipping costs. Makes zero cents to throw another $75 into this card to get it graded, return shpping to you, etc.

There is no "best" to hope for with that card.

As the seller does not accept returns and clearly stated they are selling it as a reprint it might be hard to win that dispute.

These scammers know how to get around that when you do it all the time.

He's taking a 50 cent reprint, destroying it and making 47 bucks. Sounds like a hell of a racket. If you could make 94 times your investment or more on each card, you would have to know the in's and out's of Ebay. Oh...and be soulless.

pokerplyr80 · #16 10-28-2015, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by asphaltman

The point is you can just send it back to the seller and just be out your return shipping costs. Makes zero cents to throw another $75 into this card to get it graded, return shpping to you, etc.

There is no "best" to hope for with that card.

Agreed. You could declare the value of this card to be what you paid for it and spend $15-20 getting it graded. But by the time you get it back you won't be able to return it, so you'll be out 70 bucks. Not the most expensive lesson but definitely a waste of money.

Why you refuse to listen to many vintage card experts, including the owner of this forum is beyond me. You asked for advice, got it, and have chosen to ignore it. If nothing else this helps explain why all of these types of reprints continue to sell on ebay.

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