1954 Topps Hank Aaron Sgc 3 Graded Baseball Card FS

[wilkiebaby11]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Do you have any recourse if you sent money via friends/family? I have never tried to cancel a transaction of this type before.

I would just get on the phone with PayPal asap. From what I understand, it's like handing someone cash and there's an old saying that "possession in 9/10ths of the law".

[vintagehofrookies]

sometimes when something is too good to be true....it is.

[Laxcat]

Is $550 for a pretty bad 3 '54 Aaron too good to be true? I thought it was a little low but not at a "steal" price.

I sent my payment Goods and Services and got the refund. I almost got scammed and can't help feeling like an idiot. I'm not to the point of wishing death on him and those he cares about but I hope the OP cuts his gums when he flosses and burns the roof of his mouth on breakfast.

Added: it seems that he might be in cahoots with ebitz.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Laxcat

Is $550 for a pretty bad 3 '54 Aaron too good to be true? I thought it was a little low but not at a "steal" price.

I sent my payment Goods and Services and got the refund. I almost got scammed and can't help feeling like an idiot. I'm not to the point of wishing death on him and those he cares about but I hope the OP cuts his gums when he flosses and burns the roof of his mouth on breakfast.

Added: it seems that he might be in cahoots with ebitz.

again greed is how people get ripped off.....if people are fighting over a time stamp of who paid first...odds are the price is too good to be true...especially on a baseball card website.

added: how you know ebitz is in cahoots..you may be right but wondering how you know

also strange that the aaron is an SGC card...postwar..why so many postwar cards on net54 SGC? how many more PSA 1954s are there versus SGCs

[Laxcat]

As for ebitz: how many posts does he have? When did he join? I think the only involvement he had was either to possibly try to run the price up(on a card that doesn't exist) or to just add some confusion to the matter hoping we would just send it FF.

Once again the word greed come up. So you know why I was trying to buy it? None of your damn business, but I'll enlighten you anyway. I need it for my set. I have a much nicer one that I'm not going to put in a low to mid grade set.

I DO sell cards. As I'm sure you do too. This was not going to be one of them. I am really tired of your asinine assessments of what everyone else's motives are.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Laxcat

As for ebitz: how many posts does he have? When did he join? I think the only involvement he had was either to possibly try to run the price up(on a card that doesn't exist) or to just add some confusion to the matter hoping we would just send it FF.

Once again the word greed come up. So you know why I was trying to buy it? None of your damn business, but I'll enlighten you anyway. I need it for my set. I have a much nicer one that I'm not going to put in a low to mid grade set.

I DO sell cards. As I'm sure you do too. This was not going to be one of them. I am really tired of your asinine assessments of what everyone else's motives are.

I am not pointing at you..i just talking in general as how fraudsters try to get suckers by taking advantage of their greed...you don't think that's how fraudsters/Ponzi schemer work?

you say once again? right I last brought it up on

1961 Fleer Wilt Chamberlain Sgc 8 Graded Card where the guy wanted $800 or so when the card sold for $3000 previously....it would look like someone is trying to get greedy 'deal' there...... I don't think my comment was shocking or annoying there.. (if you saw my post before, you would of seen that it was the same seller for this card as the chamberlin, how is it bad I am pointing on fraudsters on threads, maybe others didn't attempt to buy from this guy because of my prior post) If I see a fraud seller I will 'once again' bring it up

If you are someone's house making a deal maybe that's different (in terms of price too good to be true) then here on a baseball card website where everyone has good sense of value...if theres a 800 card for sale that's sold for 3000 we can rest assured its not a real deal..

there was a poll on net 54 about a rare t206 back about what the buyer would do at a card show..one of the options was to tell the seller that the card was being priced too cheap or something to that effect .....some people who sell cards have no idea what they are worth..but its likely not going to happen on net54 ..

I not questioning your motives..i just talking in general.....fraudsters profit on peoples greed...

[bobbyw8469]

I didn't think it was a bad '3'. It was nice and centered on the front. The price wasn't a super steal. It was low enough to draw interest, but not too low to raise a red flag (unlike the Chmaberlain rookie). It was priced at what it should bring on Ebay minus the fees. The only red flag I saw was the low post total.

[1952boyntoncollector]

it wasn't a red flag that it was the SAME seller as the chamberlain rookie?

plus people on net54 typically don't start off at that type of price...lots of price reductions.......

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

it wasn't a red flag that it was the SAME seller as the chamberlain rookie?

plus people on net54 typically don't start off at that type of price...lots of price reductions.......

I didn't know he tried to sell a Chamberlain rookie. David James pointed it out to me that he did.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I didn't know he tried to sell a Chamberlain rookie. David James pointed it out to me that he did.

well that to me is a red flag....'once again' the guy tried to rip people off..

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by vintagehofrookies

sometimes when something is too good to be true....it is.

I don't think this is such a case, especially since the potential buyer didn't see the chamberlain post. $550 is pretty close to the market value of the card. He wasn't exactly stealing it. A good example of why you don't send paypal ff unless you really know a seller.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I don't think this is such a case, especially since the potential buyer didn't see the chamberlain post. $550 is pretty close to the market value of the card. He wasn't exactly stealing it. A good example of why you don't send paypal ff unless you really know a seller.

i guess but you don't see many iconic cards on net54 with prices rising for clear below market price....at least the card is only a card in the 100s not 1000s..the fact there were 4 or 5 people jumping at the chance to buy and already a 'fight' on timestamp...pretty much shows too good to be true.....has there been any other thread this year where there was a poster pointing out a timestamp? (I really don't know ) if not..then the only one happens to involve seller fraud? guess a big coincidence...

[Laxcat]

Here is what happened.

Card is posted.
An hour later, I'm like, cool I need that.
PM the fraudster.
Send payment.
Then ebitz jumps in with whatever he and his scammer buddy are up to.
My G&S payment comes back.
Then I see the Wilt thread.
Inform Robert to get his money back.
End of story.

[vintagehofrookies]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I don't think this is such a case, especially since the potential buyer didn't see the chamberlain post. $550 is pretty close to the market value of the card. He wasn't exactly stealing it. A good example of why you don't send paypal ff unless you really know a seller.

First of I wanna say that I hope no one got ripped off and everyone gets their money back. I agree that $550 wasn't a steal, but it is a $700 card and $150 off a VERY popular HOF Rookie is as close a steal your gonna get. Also sending PP ff to a newbie is very risky.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by vintagehofrookies

First of I wanna say that I hope no one got ripped off and everyone gets their money back. I agree that $550 wasn't a steal, but it is a $700 card and $150 off a VERY popular HOF Rookie is as close a steal your gonna get. Also sending PP ff to a newbie is very risky.

for net54 its a steal on that type of VERY popular card , a red flag right there..


I guess if we see a 1952 topps centered Mantle rookie PSA 4 for $17,000 from a new poster...we shouldn't jump on that either!..

[Leon]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

for net54 its a steal on that type of VERY popular card , a red flag right there..


I guess if we see a 1952 topps centered Mantle rookie PSA 4 for $17,000 from a new poster...we shouldn't jump on that either!..

+1..A couple minutes ago is the first I have seen of any of this..I have left a voicemail for the OP and banned him until we speak. It sounds like a very young person and we'll see if I get a call back. It is a working number so that is not going to be good for a scammer if he is smart enough to give a good number. And also, if anyone on this board does this kind of a deal without clicking his 5 other posts, then they are naive or something.....This could all be ok but I am not optimistic....

ps...not to mention he joined a whopping 2 days ago, and all of this is public info on the board

[Laxcat]

Originally Posted by Leon

+1..A couple minutes ago is the first I have seen of any of this..I have left a voicemail for the OP and banned him until we speak. It sounds like a very young person and we'll see if I get a call back. It is a working number so that is not going to be good for a scammer if he is smart enough to give a good number. And also, if anyone on this board does this kind of a deal without clicking his 5 other posts, then they are naive or something.....This could all be ok but I am not optimistic....

ps...not to mention he joined a whopping 2 days ago, and all of this is public info on the board

That's why I sent the payment G&S. It bounced back in about 5 minutes as a refund. My post of, What no card? Or better offer? Was rhetorical and I need to realize that things don't sound the way they do in my head when I type them. I sold a few things on here with little to no posts when a became an active member.
But then I not a scammer.

[bobbyw8469]

I made note of the timestamp because I had PMed the gentleman instead of posting in the thread. I don't always like to advertise my interest in a card. Then when I saw people posting "I'll take it" in the thread, I thought maybe that is where I needed to make my intentions known that I was trying to purchase the card.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I made note of the timestamp because I had PMed the gentleman instead of posting in the thread. I don't always like to advertise my interest in a card. Then when I saw people posting "I'll take it" in the thread, I thought maybe that is where I needed to make my intentions known that I was trying to purchase the card.

right and if he said he didn't get the message..there would of been a large discussion about timestamps etc...or if got the message there could of been a dispute..if everything was legit

heck you saw the one guy think that maybe the seller got a higher offer or didn't have the card...I just haven't seen any other B/S/T this year where someone had to note their PM timestamp.....just on this card which I believe supports the notion that its too good to be true and likely fraud taking advantage of greed. etc..

[ebitz]

sorry I am not a scammer and do not appreciate being called this when you do not even know me, I do not know the seller and just wanted to buy the card.

[the 'stache]

Jake, I get where you're coming from, but I have to respectfully disagree with the conclusion you've drawn here. The price alone was not indicative of fraud. I've seen cards offered a good deal below list in order to expedite the sale. How are we to know the motivation behind the owner's discount? Perhaps they need to create liquidity quickly. Maybe there is an emergency, or a bill has come up that needs to be paid right away. Or, maybe they have two examples of the same card, and they are selling one at a discount in order to create the cash needed to buy another card.

In a situation like this, I would submit a message to the seller that "I am interested in buying the card. What are your terms?" Hopefully, this indication beats everybody else, getting me the first crack at the card. While I'm waiting for the seller to reply, I'm looking for clues as to the card owner's history. If I'm spending even a few hundred bucks to buy a card from somebody I've not dealt with before, or that I don't know as honest by reputation here, I'm going to look at how long they've been a member of Net 54. I'm looking at their post history, looking to see what transactions they've completed. And, if I have questions, I have no problem shooting off a quick private message to a member who has done business with them. I won't ask for specific price information, as I respect that some board members do not wish to divulge this. What I will ask, however, is how well this other member communicated, when the transaction was finalized, how quickly the card was delivered, and how much care was utilized in packing the card. I'm doing all I can to ensure that the seller is legit.

In this case, after my initial indication of interest, I'd have seen their fraudulent attempt to sell the basketball card, and I'd have withdrawn my interest after posting on the sale thread that they were not legit. I'd have then contacted a moderator.