Deleting prices after an item has sold

[ullmandds]

I have sold cards here on the bst in the past at apparently prices that were too low. I did my research...thought about what I paid and what they were worth and set my prices.

Dealing with many members scolding me for selling too low caused me to start deleting my sold item prices. It's nobody's business what I choose to sell my cards for...so there!!!!

[Bpm0014]

I can certainly understand both sides, however I wish the prices were not deleted and stayed visible.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

I have sold cards here on the bst in the past at apparently prices that were too low. I did my research...thought about what I paid and what they were worth and set my prices.

Dealing with many members scolding me for selling too low caused me to start deleting my sold item prices. It's nobody's business what I choose to sell my cards for...so there!!!!

People can do what they want...the point is we are making is its not bad to post the selling prices or against any privacy...its good for the hobby as whole.....at least better for the hobby then not posting them..transparency is never a bad thing..

again anyone can do what they want...but we are just making some suggestions....some posters didnt realize you could put a line through the sale price if its sold...they orignally were worried that buyers would still think the card was for sale if they didnt delete it...so that problem solved.....it just the asking price...,..i actually surprised that there is support..when i first brought it up all the posts were negative against the point.

[Laxcat]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

People can do what they want...the point is we are making is its not bad to post the selling prices or against any privacy...its good for the hobby as whole.....at least better for the hobby then not posting them..transparency is never a bad thing..

again anyone can do what they want...but we are just making some suggestions....some posters didnt realize you could put a line through the sale price if its sold...they orignally were worried that buyers would still think the card was for sale if they didnt delete it...so that problem solved.....it just the asking price...,..i actually surprised that there is support..when i first brought it up all the posts were negative against the point.

Maybe the difference is between collector and flipper.

[obcbobd]

A big thanks to all who leave the selling prices after the sale has been completed.

[Laxcat]

I have no problem if the buyer wants to post the price in the replies and broadcast what s/he paid.

That has happened exactly zero times.

[peterose4hof]

I've bought at least 50 items on the B/S/T and never once asked the seller to delete the sale price. I pay what I am comfortable paying and move on.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Laxcat

Maybe the difference is between collector and flipper.

Buyers dont care what a seller paid for a card....i never understood in a negotiation when a seller says how much they paid as a reason why they need more on a card...people pay what they feel it is worth....markets go up and down..

People can see cards on VCP as well...so buyers should assume that all cards bougth in private forum were sold for less than VCP average...otherwise the seller would use the old 'i would lose money on the card if dont get my price'.....

[Laxcat]

So I'm guessing that when you go to a show that you walk up to a dealer and ask them what they have sold and how much they got for it?

OT: but who am I kidding. I'm the fool for trying to argue with someone that thinks hitting for the cycle is no big deal. How far removed from the actual enjoyment of the sport and the history of the players do you have to be?

Also a part of me feels that you like to stir stuff up for no other reason than you can. I'm sorry if that feels like a personal attack.

Matthew Charlton

[drcy]

Sounds like another "Who should leave feedback first" debate (see other thread). I bet some buyers and sellers would prefer the sales price to not be public, and would say the sale is between the buyer and seller not a public service . In fact I'm certain many buyers would ask their buy price be kept between them and the seller, and complain if a seller posted the sales price, saying it's no one else's business what they pay. A lot of people consider it private information, or would prefer it be private, what they pay for things-- and a seller is normally going to defer to the customer on such matters.

In short, whatever method (leave it, post it, delete it), someone's going not going to like it. You can't please everyone. Some people like that you can look easily look up house prices easily on Zillow, while many home owners complain that any Tom, Dick or Harry can look up the value of their home.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by drcy

Sounds like another "Who should leave feedback first" debate (see other thread). I bet some buyers and sellers would prefer the sales price to not be public, and would say the sale is between the buyer and seller not a public service . In fact I'm certain many buyers would ask their buy price be kept between them and the seller, and complain if a seller posted the sales price, saying it's no one else's business what they pay. A lot of people consider it private information, or would prefer it be private, what they pay for things-- and a seller is normally going to defer to the customer on such matters.

In short, whatever method (leave it, post it, delete it), someone's going not going to like it. Some people like that you can look easily look up house prices easily on Zillow, while many home owners complain that any Tom, Dick or Harry can look up the value of their home.

We not asking for them to put the sales price...we are asking them to put their 'asking price' at the time the card was sold so its already public.....I already made the point about houses........its public about when you are making the most important purchase in your lifetime representing the biggest purchase...that's public..but buy a 200 dollar card...secret secret even just for the asking price...


to the OP, I don't ask what a dealer bought the cards for ever.....they seem to always offer up that information when they are asking more than VCP, ebay past sales etc...if they could point to net54 asking prices being higher than all of that, now that would be different!!!

in the end I don't care what the sellers bought the card for....but they seem to want to tell me that.(they may not say exact amount, they say 'I will already lose money on this card, 'I trying to break even")..I cant be the only one in that situation..

laxcat: I am presenting items for discussion...a lot of people seem to agree with me on issues..so its not like I am the only one....there may be people now that leave the asking price now...how is that a bad thing especially if another poster on this forum likes that....'if I can help just one poster'...

[Laxcat]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Buyers dont care what a seller paid for a card....i never understood in a negotiation when a seller says how much they paid as a reason why they need more on a card...people pay what they feel it is worth....markets go up and down..

People can see cards on VCP as well...so buyers should assume that all cards bougth in private forum were sold for less than VCP average...otherwise the seller would use the old 'i would lose money on the card if dont get my price'.....

One last thing. Actually a couple.

Why do you assume that all sales in a private forum are under VCP? Why is VCP the holy grail of "pricing"?

It seems to be a fairly easy system to manipulate.

EX: someone has been hoarding Gem mint 196x Topps Johnny Cupo'coffee. They then conspire to inflate the price of said card through false sales on EBay and AH's.
Doesn't VCP track these sales and this increase the price of the card? All of a sudden Mr. Cupo'coffee's card goes from $X to $X^2.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Laxcat

One last thing. Actually a couple.

Why do you assume that all sales in a private forum are under VCP? Why is VCP the holy grail of "pricing"?

It seems to be a fairly easy system to manipulate.

EX: someone has been hoarding Gem mint 196x Topps Johnny Cupo'coffee. They then conspire to inflate the price of said card through false sales on EBay and AH's.
Doesn't VCP track these sales and this increase the price of the card? All of a sudden Mr. Cupo'coffee's card goes from $X to $X^2.

Right I agree.. you can have your friend 'buy a card' from you as well...lots of ways to fake sale prices..


another way to fake inflate sale prices is to not be transparent....I can say I bought the card from a net54 member for $5000....but when you check the original listing the asking price was $4000......but if its deleted nobody would know...assuming the seller cant be reached by email or not respond..

if you are so worried about price manipulation than I think you would be in favor of transparency and seeing the asking prices...because how dare we even consider putting the sale price like ebay does on auctions...

What information is gleaned from knowing a seller's asking price in a BST thread? That's akin to knowing an ebay seller's buy it now price when they allow for, and eventually accept a "best offer". Seems like meaningless information to me, unless it is somehow confirmed that a buyer paid that amount for the card (which would require disclosure by the buyer or seller after the fact) it doesn't help establish market value in any way, shape, or form.

[Laxcat]

Cheese and crackers.

I still fail to see how it is any of your business what someone paid for something. Do you walk up to people that you meet and ask them how much they make? How much the car they drive cost?

I'm curious, in your $5000 to $4000 example, is the theoretical card one for a collection or to be resold? If it is for your collection and you want it then buy it. If it is to be flipped then I have this to ask.

Are you the only person that is allowed to make money off of a card they bought?

In response to your "helping one poster" comment: so am I.

[Laxcat]

For some variety: another example.

This happens on eBay quite frequently.

You sell item for $xx.xx. Person who is not purchaser sends you message that they will pay more for the item than the winner, if you cancel the transaction. That is some of the most horse**** behavior I have ever witnessed. It has happened to me and I know from reading that it has happened to some of yall. These tactics have been tried on me by members of many forums including this one. There is no malice or spite in the reason that I delete my prices. I do so for the buyers sake and mine.


Just another reason I delete the price on the BST here.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Laxcat

For some variety: another example.

This happens on eBay quite frequently.

You sell item for $xx.xx. Person who is not purchaser sends you message that they will pay more for the item than the winner, if you cancel the transaction. That is some of the most horse**** behavior I have ever witnessed. It has happened to me and I know from reading that it has happened to some of yall. These tactics have been tried on me by members of many forums including this one. There is no malice or spite in the reason that I delete my prices. I do so for the buyers sake and mine.


Just another reason I delete the price on the BST here.

Easy to wait for card to be shipped then post asking price...so cant back out of the deal for more money..problem solved..

[chaddurbin]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

I have sold cards here on the bst in the past at apparently prices that were too low. I did my research...thought about what I paid and what they were worth and set my prices.

Dealing with many members scolding me for selling too low caused me to start deleting my sold item prices. It's nobody's business what I choose to sell my cards for...so there!!!!

price-shaming, it's what we do here petey! point finger and laugh at your lack of salesmanship for not 5x the asking price of what you want it to sell for then incrementally bumping it down 2.5% every day...

i do remember that one post where your card sold within 30sec and the board had a mini-meltdown about it

[ullmandds]

damn straight Quan!!!

to me...as a vintage collector for 35 years or so...I don't like how pricing in the hobby...as well as knowledge...seems to have become something that can be looked up and a fairly decisive conclusion made quickly and easily.

i certainly realize that the grading companies...and the registries...and the VCP's of the world...the ebay's...the message boards...have all contributed to this framework.

i suppose it's just the evolution of a given area of knowledge/collecting when technology is thrown into the mix?

most of us seem to agree...that we pay what we are willing to pay for an item. A lot of the time I don't look up past pricing for a card...because if I want it...and am willing to pay the asking price...I will buy it...and be happy!

I'm apparently a barely middle aged dinosaur! P-rex...sorry ted!

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

price-shaming, it's what we do here petey! point finger and laugh at your lack of salesmanship for not 5x the asking price of what you want it to sell for then incrementally bumping it down 2.5% every day...

i do remember that one post where your card sold within 30sec and the board had a mini-meltdown about it

[Bocabirdman]

This may be over simplifying things but...This is a board of collectors. There are many reasons a card sells for what it does. Pricing on the BST is not a straight forward eBay minus fees. I am less worried about the prices remaining visible than the actual transaction remaining in the post. I am looking for something? I like to see who sold one recently. That way I can reach out and ask "Do you have any more?" "Do you know who might?"

Originally Posted by Bocabirdman

This may be over simplifying things but...This is a board of collectors. There are many reasons a card sells for what it does. Pricing on the BST is not a straight forward eBay minus fees. I am less worried about the prices remaining visible than the actual transaction remaining in the post. I am looking for something? I like to see who sold one recently. That way I can reach out and ask "Do you have any more?" "Do you know who might?"

Absolutely...this makes perfect sense Mike. What doesn't make sense is pretending knowing an asking price provides anyone with any useful or relevant information. If I want to see asking prices I'll just look at buy it now listings on ebay. That's always good for a laugh or two.

[Laxcat]

Just rereading for giggles and I saw something that I missed. Do you ACTUALLY EMAIL PEOPLE AND ASK THEM WHAT THEY SOLD THEIR CARD FOR? What planet are you from?

Lol Matt!

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Laxcat

Just rereading for giggles and I saw something that I missed. Do you ACTUALLY EMAIL PEOPLE AND ASK THEM WHAT THEY SOLD THEIR CARD FOR? What planet are you from?

I have asked what a card sold for twice when I was actively looking for a card and just didn't get to a post in time.

I can see removing the asking price if a buyer requests it. I see no harm in leaving the information up. I have purchased a few cards from the b/s/t pages of Net54, and it never crossed my mind to make such a request. If I buy a card that was listed in a public forum, it's with the expectation that the asking price is already a public record. I may send a private offer via message and can understand why a buyer or seller might want to keep that offer and final price private.