Greatest of all time

[brewing]

Originally Posted by Cozumeleno

1. Babe Ruth
2. Ty Cobb
3. Walter Johnson
4. Barry Bonds
5. Ted Williams

If you asked me in five minutes, I might very well find a place for Christy Mathewson.

That guy that didn't make the top 4 all time Giants. Maybe you should consider Buster Posey.

Kidding of course.

[bnorth]

1 Ted Williams
2 Ty Cobb
3 Babe Ruth
4 Barry Bonds
5 Roger Clemens
6 Wade Boggs Ok not really on Boggs but he is my all time favorite player. Show me a man that can drink more Miller Lights on a flight and I will remove him

Originally Posted by bnorth

1 Ted Williams
2 Ty Cobb
3 Babe Ruth
4 Barry Bonds
5 Roger Clemens
6 Wade Boggs Ok not really on Boggs but he is my all time favorite player. Show me a man that can drink more Miller Lights on a flight and I will remove him

Sox fan?

[Jdoggs]

Babe Ruth greatest of all time.
After that mays, bonds, williams, and mantle.

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by Jdoggs

Babe Ruth greatest of all time.
After that mays, bonds, williams, and mantle.

I didn't think we compared apples to rotten oranges--don't eat the peel, Barry!
Although I must admit McGwire was a favorite of mine in naive days gone by, and I really don't know exactly how to deal with him mentally.

Great lists,

Larry

[AndrewJerome]

I couldn't keep it to top 5.

Position players:

1) Ruth
2) Cobb
3) Mays
4) Bonds
5) Wagner
6) Williams
7) Gehrig
8) Mantle
9) Oscar Charleston
10) Musial
11) RHenderson


Pitchers:

1) WJohnson
2) Clemens
3) RJohnson
4) Grove
5) Mathewson
6) Seaver
7) Maddux
8) PMartinez
9) CYoung
10) MRivera
11) SPaige
12) Koufax

[Cozumeleno]

Originally Posted by brewing

That guy that didn't make the top 4 all time Giants. Maybe you should consider Buster Posey.

Kidding of course.

Haha, yeah, it was really difficult for me in deciding to include Bonds or not. I had to include him for a bunch of reasons, though.

He was already the best player in baseball before steroids with three (should have been four straight) MVPs. Then there's the eye test - it was ridiculous how dominant he was and for a five-year stretch, you expected him to homer or walk. With eight Gold Gloves, he was a superior defensive player as well. And just for fun, he went out and stole 500 bases. He was quite arguably the most complete player ever.

What bothers me is that he's often lumped in with Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa, who were both breaking down well before they reached 40. Even at 41 and 42 in his last two seasons, he still led the league in walks, intentional walks, and on base percentage. He was so much better than those guys that it's not even funny.

I know the PEDs will keep him off of these types of list for many, and I get that. It's totally fair - dude cheated. But if you're asking me for the list of best players, I have to include him.

[EvilKing00]

Ruth
Williams
Gherig
Cobb
Bonds

[CMIZ5290]

I say again...

Cobb
Mantle
Ruth....any order you see fit....

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

I say again...

Cobb
Mantle
Ruth....any order you see fit....

I like your thinking, Kevin, but would also add Williams--while Ted's value lay largely in his bat (he became quite adept at playing the green monster very well also), it was a VERY, VERY BIG BAT (one which for his entire career produced 250% of runs created versus league average, the best figure of all time).

Best wishes,

Larry

[jessness]

Musial has got to be in this list somewhere. And Williams of course. Think of his numbers if he didn't serve his country twice.