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07-16-2015, 06:59 AM
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1. Gehrig
2. Ruth 3. Aaron 4. Mays 5. Cobb
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07-16-2015, 07:02 AM
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Ruth Mays Cobb Williams Wagner
then Aaron Gehrig Musial Mantle Hornsby would rate pitchers separately
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07-16-2015, 07:29 AM
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1. Ruth
2. Gehrig 3. Cobb 4. Williams 5. DiMaggio
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07-16-2015, 07:45 AM
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1. Babe Ruth
2. Walter Johnson 3. Cy Young 4. Willie Mays 5. Barry Bonds If you take out the pitchers (other than Ruth of course), 1. Babe Ruth 2. Willie Mays 3. Barry Bonds 4. Ty Cobb 5. Rogers Hornsby
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07-16-2015, 08:08 AM
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1. Cobb HANDS DOWN
2. Walter Johnson 3. Willie Mays 4. Babe Ruth 5. Stan Musial
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07-16-2015, 09:41 AM
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This was an interesting question for me. As far as batters are concerned, I had a pretty definitive list in my head. That said, I am also from the school of thought that OPS is the greatest indicator of a batter's value. So I looked up the career leaders in OPS and found an interesting top 5. (and yes I realize that defense and steals are not accounted for in OPS, but defense is hard as hell to quantify and I never saw any of these guys with my own eyes so the eyeball test is out the window, I will focus on hitting)
1. Ruth 2. Williams 3. Gehrig 4. Foxx (skipped Bonds) 5. Greenberg Now I am looking at a top 5 list and saying to myself, really, Greenberg and Foxx in my top 5? So I consider the following question, aren't hits and steals combined just as valuable as a double, if not more so? So I do the following: Ty Cobb has 3053 total singles in his career and 897 total stolen bases. Why not subtract the total stolen bases from the number of singles and give those hits plus singles the value of a double in the slugging percentage equation. So I do this, and it works out as follows. Ty Cobb Total 1B - 2156 (singles minus stolen bases) Total 2B - 1621 (doubles plus stolen bases) Total 3B - 295 Total HR - 117 Total AB - 11434 With these numbers, Cobb's career SLG% is elevated from .512 to .590. When combined with his career OBP of .433 you get an OPS (adjusted for steals) of 1.023, which is good enough for 5th place (excluding Bonds) on the all time OPS list. I know there all holes in this logic, like the fact that every SB is not combined with a hit, many are after walks or HBP, but this was just my attempt to make OPS fair to the base thief. The ability to turn a walk, HBP, or single into a runner in scoring position is invaluable, so I had to account for it somehow. I'm sure if I added Greenberg or Hornsby's steals to their slugging calculation, they might overtake Cobb on the OPS list, but Cobb belongs IMO and this is how I reconciled it. 1. Ruth 2. Williams 3. Gehrig 4. Foxx 5. Cobb Not sure if this is a novel idea or if someone is going to tell me OPS adjusted for steals is already a thing, but either way, I like it quite a lot.
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07-16-2015, 09:51 AM
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1. Babe Ruth
2. Ty Cobb 3. Walter Johnson 4. Barry Bonds 5. Ted Williams If you asked me in five minutes, I might very well find a place for Christy Mathewson.
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07-16-2015, 09:53 AM
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Craig Worthington
Tim Hulett Mike Devereaux Mickey Tettleton Steve Finley
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07-16-2015, 10:00 AM
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07-16-2015, 10:56 AM
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07-16-2015, 03:46 PM
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Top 5
1. Ruth
2. Ty Cobb 3. Mathewson 4. Gehrig 5. Walter Johnson I am very skeptical of any player Post 1980's due to PED's. My list is based on skill, impact on the game and individual records.
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07-16-2015, 04:36 PM
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I had left Bonds off of my list for obvious reasons. If we ignore the steroid issue he would have been #4 on my list.
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07-16-2015, 04:48 PM
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07-16-2015, 08:11 PM
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my Top 5 hitters:
Cobb Ruth Mays Bonds Aaron my top 5 Pitchers: Johnson Mathewson Paige Ryan Clemens
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07-16-2015, 09:02 PM
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Bonds - No Modern Day Ruth
Barry Bonds, as far as I know, has never hit a 500-foot home run. In 1920, the first year that Ruth became an every day player for the Yankees, he hit a 500-foot home run in EVERY American league ballpark he visited. In modern day parlance, Babe Ruth was a freak.
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07-16-2015, 09:08 PM
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07-20-2015, 10:38 PM
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Top hitters
Ruth Cobb Mays Williams Top Pitchers Mathewson Wajo Pedro (Dominated during the most hitter friendly era / no PED's like Clemens)
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07-21-2015, 02:36 AM
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1. Ruth
2. LaJoie 3. Cobb 4. Wagner 5. Gehrig
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