Altered high grade E93s in Mile High?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Exactly, Barry! That's the same statement Dick Towell makes about his service - that the TPGs (or anybody else for that matter) can't detect it. So why is DT taking so much crap!?!

You said yesterday you did not approve of crease/wrinkle removal. Suppose someone could do it in a way that the TPGs could not detect. Happens all the time, actually. So do you now think that's fine?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You said yesterday you did not approve of crease/wrinkle removal. Suppose someone could do it in a way that the TPGs could not detect. Happens all the time, actually. So do you now think that's fine?

I'll answer your question as ridiculously as you answered mine: Peter, you are engaged in magical thinking.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I'll answer your question as ridiculously as you answered mine: Peter, you are engaged in magical thinking.

Only because you keep pushing this silly discussion.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Only because you keep pushing this silly discussion.

If I'm pushing it, it's because you won't answer my question as it was worded. I asked "Peter, if there were a chemical solvent that could remove any stain, tape residue, ink, etc and research proved that it was totally undetctable and had no long term effects, would that be acceptable to you?"

Instead of giving me a yes or no answer, you just say that you "not for a minute believe they could not detect it if they tried hard enough."

How about answering the question as asked - with a yes or a no?

[Peter_Spaeth]

David, I think the hypothetical is magical thinking, but no, I would not consider it acceptable just because it couldn't be detected. That to me suggests that the better the fraud is, the more acceptable it is. Not going there.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Fine, Peter. I respect your opinion. I feel otherwise and my position is based on the premises that his work is undetectable as has been proven so far. If at some point it is proven that it is detectable, I would feel different. Until then, that’s where I stand. Thanks for the discussion.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Fine, Peter. I respect your opinion. I feel otherwise and my position is based on the premises that his work is undetectable as has been proven so far. If at some point it is proven that it is detectable, I would feel different. Until then, that’s where I stand. Thanks for the discussion.

How has that been proven, David? We have no information one way or the other about what percentage of his doctored cards get through. Have you made an extensive study of his clients' PSA or SGC submissions?

[pokerplyr80]

Whether or not the work itself is ethical is a fine line. It sounds like the problem many have is that people are then submitting these cards for grading without disclosing the alteration. Since they pass grading they are then sold as authentic and unaltered for large sums of money. This is where the problem lies.

Just because you can get away with something doesn't mean you should.