Altered high grade E93s in Mile High?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Fine, Peter. I respect your opinion. I feel otherwise and my position is based on the premises that his work is undetectable as has been proven so far. If at some point it is proven that it is detectable, I would feel different. Until then, that’s where I stand. Thanks for the discussion.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Fine, Peter. I respect your opinion. I feel otherwise and my position is based on the premises that his work is undetectable as has been proven so far. If at some point it is proven that it is detectable, I would feel different. Until then, that’s where I stand. Thanks for the discussion.

How has that been proven, David? We have no information one way or the other about what percentage of his doctored cards get through. Have you made an extensive study of his clients' PSA or SGC submissions?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

How has that been proven, David? We have no information one way or the other about what percentage of his doctored cards get through. Have you made an extensive study of his clients' PSA or SGC submissions?

I haven't heard of one person come forward and say that his process has been detected by TPGs. In this hobby, word of mouth would spread quickly.

Let me know when that happens.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I haven't heard of one person come forward and say that his process has been detected by TPGs. In this hobby, word of mouth would spread quickly.

Let me know when that happens.

Oh please, the people who use his services are going to come on here and admit it? I tried to get an altered card by PSA, but that damn Towle let me down!! And no word of mouth does not spread quickly when people have incentive to cover up. The vast majority of the hobby has no idea the extent of fraud.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Oh please, the people who use his services are going to come on here and admit it? I tried to get an altered card by PSA, but that damn Towle let me down!! And no word of mouth does not spread quickly when people have incentive to cover up. The vast majority of the hobby has no idea the extent of fraud.

Sure, why not? I have never used his service, but I would have no problem admitting so if I did.

Let's put it to the test though, Peter. Let's give him a try and then submit the results to PSA and SGC and see what heppens. Want to give it a shot, or do you just want to complain about it?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Sure, why not? I have never used his service, but I would have no problem admitting so if I did.

Let's put it to the test though, Peter. Let's give him a try and then submit the results to PSA and SGC and see what heppens. Want to give it a shot, or do you just want to complain about it?

I feel perfectly justified in complaining about the enabling of fraud, David. And I would not pay him a dime, for anything.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I feel perfectly justified in complaining about the enabling of fraud, David. And I would not pay him a dime, for anything.

It'll be on my dime. How about that?

[pokerplyr80]

Whether or not the work itself is ethical is a fine line. It sounds like the problem many have is that people are then submitting these cards for grading without disclosing the alteration. Since they pass grading they are then sold as authentic and unaltered for large sums of money. This is where the problem lies.

Just because you can get away with something doesn't mean you should.