T214 Victory & T215 Red Cross Tobacco Cards

CobbSpikedMe · #1 07-04-2015, 12:46 PM

Here is my poor example of a Red Cross. What's special about this one is that is a Jersey City Purtell. I collect Jersey City cards and never thought I would ever pick up this card. It's hard enough to find a single Red Cross example let alone a specific player so when I picked this one up I was ecstatic.

AndyH

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Sean · #2 07-04-2015, 02:09 PM

Andy, that's great. I understand just how you feel, getting a rare back with exactly the right player.

CobbSpikedMe · #3 07-04-2015, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Andy, that's great. I understand just how you feel, getting a rare back with exactly the right player.

With the population estimates above (1-6 examples of each player) I doubt I'll ever see an upgrade for this card. Needless to say it is the key card in my Jersey City collection.

AndyH

RCMcKenzie · #4 07-05-2015, 12:03 AM

Thanks on the Ames, Steve. I agree that it's sorta high grade for this issue. I think, except for the Cobbs, there are easily less than 5 T215 examples per player in each series. Amazing that Lipset and those guys compiled the checklists that they did. Here's another two cards from T215-2. I have about 8 or 9 from this series...

ValKehl · #5 07-05-2015, 12:40 AM

Here's a couple of raw T214s and a nice WaJo (if you ignore the back damage):

felada · #6 07-05-2015, 07:29 AM

Are the borders on a type 3 typically this thin?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1919-T213-Co...item3aabd95d4a

edhans · #7 07-05-2015, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by felada

Are the borders on a type 3 typically this thin?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1919-T213-Co...item3aabd95d4a

Yes. That's a beautiful and full sized T213-3.

buymycards · #8 07-05-2015, 08:52 AM

Hi David,

I only have 1 Type 3, and the borders are similar to the card that you asked about.

There is a dealer on eBay who has had a bunch of Types 3's listed for several years. Quite a few of his seem to have the same cut, but his pictures are blurry so it is difficult to say for sure.

Rick

buymycards · #9 07-04-2015, 04:38 PM

Hi Tim,
You have interesting questions about populations. The pop reports for all of the grading companies are a complete mess, so i wouldn't rely on them.

Here is my completely flying by the seat of my pants numbers:

T214 - only 63 of the possible 90 cards are known to exist. I would guess that only 1 to 3 cards of each of the 63 are known to exist.

T215-1 and 2 - my guess is between 1 and 6 or so of each of the known cards. You might find a few players with slightly more than 6, but I doubt it.

Compare this to 1000 examples or more, of many of the T206 cards.

I hope others who are more knowledgeable than me will chime in with their estimates.

Rick

brass_rat · #10 07-04-2015, 05:10 PM

Rick makes an excellent point about the population reports. The T215 types are frequently mislabeled. Heck, I believe someone once posted a T215 labeled as a T206. (Although that might make some people happy.

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I don't know much about T214, but I'd figure his estimates are reasonable for T215. It might be that there are a number of raw examples in collections.

Cheers,
Steve

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Originally Posted by buymycards

The pop reports for all of the grading companies are a complete mess, so i wouldn't rely on them.

Rick

Jobu · #11 07-05-2015, 10:03 AM

Is there a way to estimate who ought to be featured on the remaining 27 cards using T206 print groups? I know there might have been some substitutions based on retirements and deaths, but I was curious how the known T214 examples line up with the different print groups.

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Originally Posted by buymycards

T214 - only 63 of the possible 90 cards are known to exist. I would guess that only 1 to 3 cards of each of the 63 are known to exist.

Sean · #12 07-05-2015, 12:00 PM

I'm not an expert on this set, but the T214s were printed four years after t206s. I don't think they followed the T206 print groups.

I recall Tim making this point about the T213 and T215 sets, and I think it holds true for the T214s as well. Sorry, I can't find that thread.

ullmandds · #13 07-05-2015, 12:16 PM

how did we get from t214/215 to t213???

Sean · #14 07-05-2015, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds

how did we get from t214/215 to t213???

I'm not sure myself, but in my mind they're all in the Greater T206 neighborhood.

ullmandds · #15 07-05-2015, 12:35 PM

i tell ya...before long people are gonna start talkin t216 here too I suppose!!!

Leon · #16 07-05-2015, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ullmandds

how did we get from t214/215 to t213???

Well, just to be safe and since this is my thread, I fully authorize everyone to hijack it with any T cards after T212

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donmuth · #17 07-05-2015, 02:48 PM

Neal Ball T215 ... in a mislabeled holder.

Jobu · #18 07-05-2015, 12:38 PM

Thanks Sean. I was aware of the 1915 date for T214 but I am not one who hesitates to fire away with the questions when something pops into my head! It makes perfect sense that there isn't a match and if there was one I suspect someone would have figured it out. To quote the bank robber from Dirty Harry "I gots to know."

Pete, I was wondering the same thing myself (though I love T213-1 so don't mind it too much).

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Originally Posted by Sean

I'm not an expert on this set, but the T214s were printed four years after t206s. I don't think they followed the T206 print groups.

I recall Tim making this point about the T213 and T215 sets, and I think it holds true for the T214s as well. Sorry, I can't find that thread.

ullmandds · #19 07-05-2015, 12:43 PM

I hear ya Bryan...I love coupons too...1>3>2...and t216's...and d303!!!!!

tedzan · #20 07-05-2015, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

I'm not an expert on this set, but the T214s were printed four years after t206s. I don't think they followed the T206 print groups.

I recall Tim making this point about the T213 and T215 sets, and I think it holds true for the T214s as well. Sorry, I can't find that thread.

Timeline

............... 1910 .................................................. .................. 1913 .................................................. ............ 1919 ............................................... 1914

TED Z
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Mikehealer · #21 07-05-2015, 05:52 PM

Nice cards Bruce, especially like the Red Cross Meyers. That's always been a favorite pose of mine. That was one of the few Meyers Portraits that eluded me.

Ted, great cards as well. My best to you and your family.

tedzan · #22 07-05-2015, 06:32 PM

Thanks for the kind words.

I hope to see you at the National next month.

And, here is my last remaining T215 card in my collection.

TED Z
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Rhotchkiss · #23 08-11-2022, 10:12 PM

Came across this awesome thread and thought I�d bump it- anyone got anything to add?

Casey2296 · #24 08-11-2022, 10:17 PM

Beautiful cards. Only thing I can add is I'd love to add a Victory and a Red Cross to my collection, so if you're a seller, I'm a buyer.

Rhotchkiss · #25 08-11-2022, 10:21 PM

Hi Phil. I recently sold my extra t214 (a bender) and my extra t215 (Marquard throwing). Now all I have is one example of each. You know I like having an HOF example of most rare type cards�

Casey2296 · #26 08-11-2022, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Hi Phil. I recently sold my extra t214 (a bender) and my extra t215 (Marquard throwing). Now all I have is one example of each. You know I like having an HOF example of most rare type cards…

Salt in the wound my friend...
But I take the Buddhist approach, my cards will come to me when they're ready. That and when my budget allows.

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