T206 / Old Judge pack question

[Joe_G.]

Originally Posted by cozmokramer

Joe - is this your pack?

Nope, not sure where this pack now resides and whether it is still encapsulated. I do have a nice empty example in my collection from 1888 (w/ baseball notice stamp on side).

[cozmokramer]

Originally Posted by Joe_G.

Nope, not sure where this pack now resides and whether it is still encapsulated. I do have a nice empty example in my collection from 1888 (w/ baseball notice stamp on side).

Joe, I'm assuming this one is NOT encapsulated I take it.

[Joe_G.]

Originally Posted by cozmokramer

Joe, I'm assuming this one is NOT encapsulated I take it.

Eric, my pack is empty and not encapsulated.

Originally Posted by 1880nonsports

Joe
what is a baseball notice stamp?!>?<:?

Henry, I was pretty careless in my response . It isn't a stamp but instead a label on side of pack as shown below (not mine, this is the pack pictured in the OJ book). I'm only aware of three packs with this label; at least two of them date to 1888, not sure about 3rd. The "baseball notice" likely refers to the cabinet photograph list of players enclosed in the pack (with details on how to redeem said cabinet). May also refer to the "slip" that both the checklist and the many surviving metamorphic trade cards reference but I've yet to see an 1888 "slip/certificate/coupon".

[1880nonsports]

had not seen that. That's a fantastic pack - the base ball reference makes it almost as good as a ghost T206 Seriously though I can only think of one attribution that's more specific to the base ball theme - the strip found on the Yum Yum cans. Kind of pack I'd love to come across within reason as "variations" are becoming difficult for me to justify - but for a pack like that I could give up a couple of mine. I have a small collection of non-sport card packs with strips and such.
That said - a metamorphic would have to fit in the pack. Perhaps it's the "not newspaper" list of players/cabinets? My knowledge relative to Goodwin other than advertising, banners, and albums is at best inadequate. I am ashamedly admitting I only glanced over the OJ book when I first bought it. Please don't be insulted. I have but one OJ BB card and I no longer go to shows so little opportunity to buy/sell them. At the time reading the book fell off my radar and since then I've had other priorities to address. It's silly though for me not to have read it as I'm still quite interested in ALL history related to the 1880's manufacturers - I'll start to tackle it this week all things remaining as they are now.
As an aside Joe - I have located a box with much of my paper non-banner OJ stuff. I will see if I have any coupons left that might be different than yours - and rest assured - your newsboy still safe with me :-)

[1880nonsports]

having the card and pack together along with the proper provenance would elevate the value of the pack above that of a similar opened pack. As for the card - probably not - but likely because of the extraordinary condition of the card. A significantly lesser condition card would benefit the most. There's always someone who wants something a little more special than the other guy and a card actually associated with a pack is about the best one can do to corroborate that inserts were just that.
Of course - getting an N172 AND one that secured a grade and price as it did - was extremely lucky - there were many other scenarios and most often the greatest value is in the unopened pack - one sells the sizzle and not the steak......

[oldjudge]

Henry--Here is an image