PWCC Certified High End

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

In fairness, I think they have toned down the scans to the point where they look pretty natural to me anyhow.

After they got caught. And then lied after getting caught.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Yes, one of those smoking gun cross-exam moments.

[mybuddyinc]

Personally, I like the idea, and am going to start my own certification ----


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[GregMitch34]

And Mantle card they "certify" as above average for grade actually has bad stains on back... I guess they only certify the fronts.

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by GregMitch34

And Mantle card they "certify" as above average for grade actually has bad stains on back... I guess they only certify the fronts.

I don't think they are certifying that the card is "above average for the grade" I think they are just declaring the card to be "high end".

[GregMitch34]

Read their certificate -- it says it's superior "relative to its technical grade."

[swarmee]

They are saying that the "eye appeal" of the card exceeds the technical grade. Generally those cards sell for higher amounts than their regular counterparts. They are making no promises to future bumps of cards.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by mybuddyinc

Personally, I like the idea, and am going to start my own certification ----


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I'll take the certified Thomas.

Which end is certified?

[Canofcorn]

I have no problem with this. I can't afford to win a PWCC auction anyway.
Seriously though, Brent is such a stand up guy. Very impressed with everything about PWCC. They Are Just trying to do something different from the competition in this case.

[Peter_Spaeth]

"Seriously though, Brent is such a stand up guy."

Oh I agree, see posts 76 and 78. Or the whole thread if you wish.
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=177348

[calvindog]

Bill Mastro was a stand up guy too according to the oracles of Net 54.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Canofcorn

I have no problem with this. I can't afford to win a PWCC auction anyway.
Seriously though, Brent is such a stand up guy. Very impressed with everything about PWCC. They Are Just trying to do something different from the competition in this case.

Not all of Brent's auctions go high. I recently had a $200 card sell for $50. It is starting to make me think I can do just as good selling on Ebay myself if I am going to get those kind of results on my consignments.

[Orioles1954]

My one word response is "why?"

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Not all of Brent's auctions go high. I recently had a $200 card sell for $50. It is starting to make me think I can do just as good selling on Ebay myself if I am going to get those kind of results on my consignments.

funny lots of buyers say tons of shilling and his auctions sell for record amounts and sellers say sell to low....

[rats60]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Not all of Brent's auctions go high. I recently had a $200 card sell for $50. It is starting to make me think I can do just as good selling on Ebay myself if I am going to get those kind of results on my consignments.

I guess you didn't get the memo, you are supposed to shill your own auctions.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Canofcorn

I have no problem with this. I can't afford to win a PWCC auction anyway.
Seriously though, Brent is such a stand up guy. Very impressed with everything about PWCC. They Are Just trying to do something different from the competition in this case.

Bobby said:
Not all of Brent's auctions go high. I recently had a $200 card sell for $50. It is starting to make me think I can do just as good selling on Ebay myself if I am going to get those kind of results on my consignments.

What you mean you cant afford to win PWCC auctions.. $200 cards going for $50 all the time seem very affordable!..

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Bobby said:
Not all of Brent's auctions go high. I recently had a $200 card sell for $50. It is starting to make me think I can do just as good selling on Ebay myself if I am going to get those kind of results on my consignments.

What you mean you cant afford to win PWCC auctions.. $200 cards going for $50 all the time seem very affordable!..

Exactly...while some of Brent's cards do set records, I believe he is also experiencing some sort of backlash. People, like yourself, who assume all their cards are being shilled, and just assume everything is going to go to some stratospheric level compared to similar cards in similar grades, that they just refuse to bid with him.

As far as the new certificate label he is applying to some cards, I understand why he is doing it, but I think it is a bad idea. You put yourself in a position of second guessing the grader. There is nothing wrong with promoting a card. Robert Edwards does it all the time (ie, The card has been graded authentic, however, we don't see where it is trimmed). However, they don't include a little certificate saying the card is wrongly graded. Let's get back to the old fashioned basics of letting the scans speak for themselves. Have genuine scans, and let the bidders be able to enlarge the scans. That is it. Period. He has a good model going. Why mess with it??

[Brent Huigens]

We have taken the lead to address the misc concerns raised by a couple members regarding our auctions (scan accuracy, shill bidding, etc). I encourage any interested member to please view that other thread and post your comments.

Thread: PWCC & eBay - help us improve the hobby

Regards,

Brent Huigens
PWCC Auctions, LLC