PWCC Certified High End

[Canofcorn]

I have no problem with this. I can't afford to win a PWCC auction anyway.
Seriously though, Brent is such a stand up guy. Very impressed with everything about PWCC. They Are Just trying to do something different from the competition in this case.

[Peter_Spaeth]

"Seriously though, Brent is such a stand up guy."

Oh I agree, see posts 76 and 78. Or the whole thread if you wish.
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=177348

[calvindog]

Bill Mastro was a stand up guy too according to the oracles of Net 54.

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Bill Mastro was a stand up guy too according to the oracles of Net 54.

LMAO, classic!!!

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Canofcorn

I have no problem with this. I can't afford to win a PWCC auction anyway.
Seriously though, Brent is such a stand up guy. Very impressed with everything about PWCC. They Are Just trying to do something different from the competition in this case.

Not all of Brent's auctions go high. I recently had a $200 card sell for $50. It is starting to make me think I can do just as good selling on Ebay myself if I am going to get those kind of results on my consignments.

[Orioles1954]

My one word response is "why?"

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Not all of Brent's auctions go high. I recently had a $200 card sell for $50. It is starting to make me think I can do just as good selling on Ebay myself if I am going to get those kind of results on my consignments.

funny lots of buyers say tons of shilling and his auctions sell for record amounts and sellers say sell to low....

[rats60]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Not all of Brent's auctions go high. I recently had a $200 card sell for $50. It is starting to make me think I can do just as good selling on Ebay myself if I am going to get those kind of results on my consignments.

I guess you didn't get the memo, you are supposed to shill your own auctions.

[bobbyw8469]

We don't do that. We believe in the auction system. However, we have seen alot of cards fall through the cracks. If we lose quite a bit on a card/consignment, we just try to make it up on the buy. Circle of life.

Originally Posted by rats60

I guess you didn't get the memo, you are supposed to shill your own auctions.

[calvindog]

Why is PWCC putting in that certificate?

The answer is the same as the answers to these questions:

Why did PWCC provide misleading scans?

Why is shill bidding rampant in their auctions?

To make money!

[MetsBaseball1973]

This little certificate of theirs is benign, just a way a business is trying to make some of its offerings stand out. In stark contrast the other two things mentioned by CalvinD above, namely juiced scans and shills, are inherently bad.

I have read the PSA boards and find it hysterical how grown men are in an uproar over an eBay baseball card seller adding a piece of paper to some cards he feels look better than the assigned grade---- it's all just opinions. Some guy over there was like, "So my cards without the new PWCC sticker are ugly now?!" Boo hoo!

Personally, I can use my own two God-given eyes just fine to tell me what card is better looking than another. I'll never get why some need a grade or sticker from ANYONE, be it a TPG or PWCC, to tell them what's best. I didn't care for the grade whore attitude when I was a kid in school. I certainly don't like it in card collecting as an adult. But as always, to each his own.

That said, it's Brent's choice to flag by whatever means he wants cards that look way better than the grade. I see no harm in such cards getting their just due and moment in the spotlight, as they are better than some higher graded cards despite having been given a lower technical grade.

[bobbyw8469]

Mets Baseball...I understand your argument. I think the point being made is that ALMOST ALL card collectors can tell what cards look best for their assigned grade. What makes Brent's eyes better than your own?? If you send him a consignment that YOU consider to be high end, and Brent doesn't see it that way, therefore you don't receive the "certificate", how would that make you feel as a consignor? Would you send him more consignments, or cut him off completely? Especially when we see in the future those little extra slips of paper add alot of money to the value of the card? I know that is assuming that is what happens....me personally, I think it will. We can all follow these auctions as they end and determine what type of added multiple these winning "golden tickets" add to the value of the card.

[bosoxphan]

Should just be a this card has nice centering certificate

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Canofcorn

I have no problem with this. I can't afford to win a PWCC auction anyway.
Seriously though, Brent is such a stand up guy. Very impressed with everything about PWCC. They Are Just trying to do something different from the competition in this case.

Bobby said:
Not all of Brent's auctions go high. I recently had a $200 card sell for $50. It is starting to make me think I can do just as good selling on Ebay myself if I am going to get those kind of results on my consignments.

What you mean you cant afford to win PWCC auctions.. $200 cards going for $50 all the time seem very affordable!..

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Bobby said:
Not all of Brent's auctions go high. I recently had a $200 card sell for $50. It is starting to make me think I can do just as good selling on Ebay myself if I am going to get those kind of results on my consignments.

What you mean you cant afford to win PWCC auctions.. $200 cards going for $50 all the time seem very affordable!..

Exactly...while some of Brent's cards do set records, I believe he is also experiencing some sort of backlash. People, like yourself, who assume all their cards are being shilled, and just assume everything is going to go to some stratospheric level compared to similar cards in similar grades, that they just refuse to bid with him.

As far as the new certificate label he is applying to some cards, I understand why he is doing it, but I think it is a bad idea. You put yourself in a position of second guessing the grader. There is nothing wrong with promoting a card. Robert Edwards does it all the time (ie, The card has been graded authentic, however, we don't see where it is trimmed). However, they don't include a little certificate saying the card is wrongly graded. Let's get back to the old fashioned basics of letting the scans speak for themselves. Have genuine scans, and let the bidders be able to enlarge the scans. That is it. Period. He has a good model going. Why mess with it??