T206 Bates Variation?

[Luke]

I could definitely be wrong. Ultimately perception will be reality and people would bid on this according to their theory of what happened to the red. Here is another Bates Hindu for comparison. The red is pretty faint, and could fade rather easily in my opinion.

[tedzan]

The red ink was the last printed in the 6 color process.

That Bates card never got the final inking (red) pass. And, this is not unusual for brown HINDU cards.

Any given day on Ebay, check out the HINDU listing, and you will see quite a number of normally
red background cards (with brown HINDU backs) that are more or less Orange (due to lack of red ink).


TED Z
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[Sean]

Originally Posted by tedzan

the red ink was the last printed in the 6 color process.

That bates card never got the final inking (red) pass. And, this is not unusual for brown hindu cards.

Any given day on ebay, check out the hindu listing, and you will see quite a number of normally
red background cards (with brown hindu backs) that are more or less orange (due to lack of red ink).


ted z
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[insccollectibles]

A lot of cards with back damage are missing the red ink due to the adhesive as mentioned before. This one is tough to call for me but most peoples consensus is to stay away from a high price if there is back damage and I'm not sure SGC would label it missing red ink but if you ever sell it would be worth a shot. As Ted mentioned Hindu's are known for this issue so it very well could be missing the ink.

[Bpm0014]

Although the glue/adhesive on back can definitely affect the ink on front, on this particular card it's 100% missing red. Guaranteed.

[Bpm0014]

The Bates is a known card for missing red ink. There are numerous other "Bates" also missing the red ink....

[Laxcat]

Thanks y'all. Great info. My pre-war knowledge is shite. I'll post some other things I have questions on.

[MVSNYC]

Master Bates never got his red color pass.

Great card.

[wazoo]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

Master Bates never got his red color pass.

Great card.

[sb1]

I am gonna be the contrarian, I believe the card was glued in a display that was exposed to sunlight and faded the entire red pass. Years ago I would have said missing Red color, but after examining many T205's and T206's that are missing the Red, the vast majority have glue damage. I am not of the school that the glue did the damage, it's the fact they were most likely in a frame and hung where the sunlight/UV rays did their work. As others have stated Red is the least colorfast.

[caramelcard]

Looks uniformly faded to me. Not just missing red.

Rob

[atx840]

Originally Posted by caramelcard

Looks uniformly faded to me. Not just missing red.



Rob

+1

[jhs5120]

I don't think a smidge of glue at the center of the card (on the back) would completely remove all red from the uniform, bat, sky, etc.

Look at the hat, there is no way that was done by fading.

[frohme]

Originally Posted by sb1

I am gonna be the contrarian, I believe the card was glued in a display that was exposed to sunlight and faded the entire red pass. Years ago I would have said missing Red color, but after examining many T205's and T206's that are missing the Red, the vast majority have glue damage. I am not of the school that the glue did the damage, it's the fact they were most likely in a frame and hung where the sunlight/UV rays did their work. As others have stated Red is the least colorfast.

+1 - I find it hard to believe that glue in a spot on the back caused the red on the front to fade uniformly over the whole front of the card. Simpler explanations like this make a ton more sense.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

Master Bates never got his red color pass.

Great card.

Beat me to it!