T206 Bates Variation?

[MVSNYC]

Master Bates never got his red color pass.

Great card.

[wazoo]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

Master Bates never got his red color pass.

Great card.

[sb1]

I am gonna be the contrarian, I believe the card was glued in a display that was exposed to sunlight and faded the entire red pass. Years ago I would have said missing Red color, but after examining many T205's and T206's that are missing the Red, the vast majority have glue damage. I am not of the school that the glue did the damage, it's the fact they were most likely in a frame and hung where the sunlight/UV rays did their work. As others have stated Red is the least colorfast.

[caramelcard]

Looks uniformly faded to me. Not just missing red.

Rob

[atx840]

Originally Posted by caramelcard

Looks uniformly faded to me. Not just missing red.



Rob

+1

[jhs5120]

I don't think a smidge of glue at the center of the card (on the back) would completely remove all red from the uniform, bat, sky, etc.

Look at the hat, there is no way that was done by fading.

[sb1]

The glue is only the telling evidence that it was once glued onto a backing and probably displayed in a frame which was subject to years of sunlight.

Normal water soluble glue won't alter the colors on the front, some later "rubber cement" or model glue's will alter the colors.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

I don't think a smidge of glue at the center of the card (on the back) would completely remove all red from the uniform, bat, sky, etc.

Look at the hat, there is no way that was done by fading.

What do you see in the hat that makes you think it was not fading?

I am far from an expert on T206 fading but it looks like it was faded from being displayed for several years to me. I say that because of the slight color changes on the entire card that match fading in more modern cards that I am somewhat a expert(LOL) on.

[Laxcat]

I like the arguments on both sides. I think I'm going to try and settle it. I've only used PSA as a TPG. Is there any company that could confirm or deny if the red pass ever existed?

[atx840]

There are several great threads about how the reds can fade on the T206s, this display likely had adhesive on the cards but from the b/w pictures looks like they were prominently displayed across from a window. I bet several of these could be slabbed as missing red.

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http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...itemid%3D43886

[frohme]

Originally Posted by sb1

I am gonna be the contrarian, I believe the card was glued in a display that was exposed to sunlight and faded the entire red pass. Years ago I would have said missing Red color, but after examining many T205's and T206's that are missing the Red, the vast majority have glue damage. I am not of the school that the glue did the damage, it's the fact they were most likely in a frame and hung where the sunlight/UV rays did their work. As others have stated Red is the least colorfast.

+1 - I find it hard to believe that glue in a spot on the back caused the red on the front to fade uniformly over the whole front of the card. Simpler explanations like this make a ton more sense.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

Master Bates never got his red color pass.

Great card.

Beat me to it!