Rose requests to be reinstated

[conor912]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

If Rose gets in it opens a giant can of worms. There is a long line behind him of other stars who will ask for entry. Don't think it will happen.

My thought exactly. Given the evidence (or lack thereof) I would think Joe Jackson's family would have a pretty strong argument for his reinstatement if Rose were to get in. As much as I here the cry to let Pete in, I think it's a PR mine filed that MLB won't want to deal with.

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by conor912

My thought exactly. Given the evidence (or lack thereof) I would think Joe Jackson's family would have a pretty strong argument for his reinstatement if Rose were to get in. As much as I here the cry to let Pete in, I think it's a PR mine filed that MLB won't want to deal with.

Jackson shoukd be in as well, hitting 365 in a ws and baned for trying to throw the games?? Lol dsmn i cant imaging what he would of hit if he was trying to win. Lol

[clydepepper]

If he gets in before Minnie Minoso does....well, to be honest, I don't know what I'd do...certainly if anyone deserves to be enshrined ONLY after they are dead, it's rose!

But Minnie had such a good heart, he probably wouldn't want me to think that...but, he was a better man than I could ever hope to be.

[greenmonster66]

Let him in

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

If he gets in before Minnie Minoso does....well, to be honest, I don't know what I'd do...certainly if anyone deserves to be enshrined ONLY after they are dead, it's rose!

But Minnie had such a good heart, he probably wouldn't want me to think that...but, he was a better man than I could ever hope to be.

Minnie Minos Wasnt banned, and did get to be voted on for the hof. Not the same. He just didnt get the votes.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

Minnie Minos Wasnt banned, and did get to be voted on for the hof. Not the same. He just didnt get the votes.

Steve- you missed my point: If the voters couldn't decide on Minnie while he lived (ala Ron Santo), then rose deserves no better.

[Kenny Cole]

He was a great player. He was, and is, also a thief and a lier. He knowingly made an effort to cheat the game, got caught, and now has to pay the penalty that all of the other cheats and liers who got caught have had to pay, some with far less evidence than that against Rose.

Once upon a time I was in favor of Rose for the HOF. Then midnight struck and I realized how silly that was, given the enormity of the crime that he knowingly committed. I am one of the guys who is in favor of a more expansive HOF, but I will NEVER be in favor of that POS Rose for induction.

[71buc]

I loved Pete when I was a kid. But I don't believe he should ever be inducted. So he only bet on the Reds to win? Did he use his pitching staff differently in games in which he had placed such a bet? What message was he sending to bookies when he didn't place a bet? If you were a book maker and knew that Rose always bet on the Reds to win wouldn't you consider it valuable inside information when he chose not to place a bet? His behavior was dangerous to the integrity and credibility of the game. He gambled on the game he professed to love because he thought he was bigger than the game itself.

[Jewish-collector]

Besides having his plaque in the the building in Cooperstown, what does HE and/or his family receive for being a member of the hall of fame ? Pardon my stupidity, but it's a serious question. I really don't know. Thx.

[Exhibitman]

I loved Pete Rose as a kid; even wrote a fan letter and got a signed photo. But he did it. The Dowd Report documented his alleged bets on 52 Reds games in 1987.

The rule is crystal clear: "Rule 21 Misconduct, (d) Betting on Ball Games, Any player, umpire, or club, or league official, or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible."

Rose repeatedly admitted he broke that rule. In his autobiography My Prison Without Bars, Rose admitted to betting on Reds games. He repeated his admissions in an interview on the ABC news program Primetime Thursday. In March 2007, during an interview on The Dan Patrick Show on ESPN Radio, Rose said, "I bet on my team every night. I didn't bet on my team four nights a week. I bet on my team to win every night because I loved my team, I believed in my team," he said. "I did everything in my power every night to win that game."

So, Rose admittedly broke the one rule that calls for the 'death penalty' in baseball. He is properly permanently ineligible for a position in baseball. But the HOF was not part of that regime. On February 4, 1991, the Hall of Fame voted formally to exclude individuals on the permanently ineligible list from being inducted into the Hall of Fame by way of the Baseball Writers Association of America vote. He would have been eligible for consideration by the Veterans Committee in 2007, but did not appear on the ballot. In 2008 the Veterans Committee barred players and managers on the ineligible list from consideration.

This last bit bothers me. Rose broke a MLB rule that carries the sport's version of a death penalty. I believe he should be 'dead' to MLB--permanently ineligible for work--but the rules keeping him out of the HOF did not exist at the time of his offenses. That is an example of an ex post facto criminal law. Clause 3 of Article I, Section 9 and Clause 1 of Article I, Section 10, of the United States Constitution prohibit the Federal government and state governments from passing criminal laws that criminalize and punish past conduct that was not criminal at the time of the offense. Punishing Pete Rose for old offenses with new rules that expand his punishment is not how we do things. I think he is entitled to a vote of the Veterans' Committee. Now, does that open a potential can of worms for all of the ineligible players? Maybe. But I don't think the current situation is fair to Rose.

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Steve- you missed my point: If the voters couldn't decide on Minnie while he lived (ala Ron Santo), then rose deserves no better.

I think they should at least be able to vote on him.