Rose requests to be reinstated

[jerseygary]

As a Mets fan, I can't tell you how much joy I had heckling Rose from the Shea Stadium stands. Just the sight of him running out onto the field made me wince because even when he didn't have a bat in his hand he would find some way to beat you. But if the devil himself came up from his lair and I had to pick a baseball team to save my soul, Pete Rose would be the first guy I pick for my team. With the exception of Ken Griffey, Jr. I can't think of any baseball player I watched live that was that darn good. I don't think 9/10 of the guys voted into the Hall in the past 15 years have the talent to have been Rose's batboy.

However he knowingly broke the biggest sin in baseball. Bet on horses, bet on football, hell, bet on freaking soccer, but you don't bet on baseball!

Do I think Pete threw a game? No - Pete's desire to win meant he couldn't have done that if he tried. But when he bet on Reds games even for the Reds to win, what about the games he didn't lay a bet down on the Reds? He just tipped off every bookie in the country not to take any good odds on the Reds that day. It's as good as him laying a bet against his team.

And Joe Jackson? Sure his stats say he was a Hall of Famer. But he threw a World Series. He took the money to do it. I never bought the angle that he was too dim witted to understand what he was doing or that he had no choice. The only place Joe Jackson should have in the Hall is a display on how he and the other Sox threw the series.

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by jerseygary

As a Mets fan, I can't tell you how much joy I had heckling Rose from the Shea Stadium stands. Just the sight of him running out onto the field made me wince because even when he didn't have a bat in his hand he would find some way to beat you. But if the devil himself came up from his lair and I had to pick a baseball team to save my soul, Pete Rose would be the first guy I pick for my team. With the exception of Ken Griffey, Jr. I can't think of any baseball player I watched live that was that darn good. I don't think 9/10 of the guys voted into the Hall in the past 15 years have the talent to have been Rose's batboy.

However he knowingly broke the biggest sin in baseball. Bet on horses, bet on football, hell, bet on freaking soccer, but you don't bet on baseball!

Do I think Pete threw a game? No - Pete's desire to win meant he couldn't have done that if he tried. But when he bet on Reds games even for the Reds to win, what about the games he didn't lay a bet down on the Reds? He just tipped off every bookie in the country not to take any good odds on the Reds that day. It's as good as him laying a bet against his team.

And Joe Jackson? Sure his stats say he was a Hall of Famer. But he threw a World Series. He took the money to do it. I never bought the angle that he was too dim witted to understand what he was doing or that he had no choice. The only place Joe Jackson should have in the Hall is a display on how he and the other Sox threw the series.

+1 Agree with everything you say.

[ibuysportsephemera]

It will never happen...too big of a can of worms. Especially with all of the big name dopers who aren't in and probably won't get in yet they hold some of the biggest records in baseball.

Jeff

[Kenny Cole]

No. I too loved him as a player when I was a kid. He ultimately proved to be a lying MF, denied it for a number of years, has no actual remorse for violating the rule posted on every clubhouse, and is a far worse candidate in terms of being a cheater and rule violater than is Joe Jackson. In my estimation he is completely despicable and he is made even more so by his "poor me" bullshit. He knew what he was doing, he ran the risk, and he lost the gamble. Screw him.

Kenny

[rats60]

Originally Posted by jerseygary

And Joe Jackson? Sure his stats say he was a Hall of Famer. But he threw a World Series. He took the money to do it. I never bought the angle that he was too dim witted to understand what he was doing or that he had no choice. The only place Joe Jackson should have in the Hall is a display on how he and the other Sox threw the series.

I don't think the evidence shows that Jackson took money or tried to throw games. However, I believe he knew what was going on and that made him part of the fix. I agree that both Jackson and Rose have no place in the hof.

It's just like the claim that Rose never bet against the Reds. He certainly did the times he didn't bet on them. One would have to be pretty naive to think Rose didn't manage differently and gamblers didn't notice. Both undermined the integrity of the game and are being rightfully punished.