Joe Orlando is lying fakes flips look real..

[Rollingstone206]

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[Jdoggs]

I guess the new PSA holders can be tampered with as discussed in this forum:

http://forums.collectors.com/message...hreadid=937207

[Rollingstone206]

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[Jdoggs]

Originally Posted by Rollingstone206

If that card didn't have those white spots it wouldn't have raised any suspicion it sounds like.

The font on the flip looks a little off too.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Jdoggs

I guess the new PSA holders can be tampered with as discussed in this forum:

http://forums.collectors.com/message...hreadid=937207

WOW that did not take long. I do not buy graded cards because of this.

[Rollingstone206]

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[MW1]

Originally Posted by Jdoggs

I guess the new PSA holders can be tampered with as discussed in this forum:

http://forums.collectors.com/message...hreadid=937207

That's one of the older PSA holders, not one of the new ones. Anyone who has handled the new PSA holders is aware that they cannot be opened and resealed without severely damaging the holder.

I might add that the fonts are wrong and the four safety "nubs" have been popped. The holder has been opened and another card has been re-inserted along with a re-manufactured flip.

[Jdoggs]

Originally Posted by MW1

That's one of the older PSA holders, not one of the new ones. Anyone who has handled the new PSA holders is aware that they cannot be opened and resealed without severely damaging the holder.

I might add that the fonts are wrong and the four safety "nubs" have been popped. The holder has been opened and another card has been re-inserted along with a re-manufactured flip.

The PSA hologram on the back is shiny and those shiny holograms are on the
new holders. Correct me if I am wrong.

[ezez420]

Was going to put this in another post but should add here. So are all cards by this seller legit? Goes from $10-$20 cards to $5000-$400000 overnight? The Seaver Rookie that he pulled looks different than the one sold in Mile High. Now look at this PSA 8 Mantle 1952 Topps. Thoughts??

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-M...item27f87d4b48




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[Rollingstone206]

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[MW1]

Originally Posted by Jdoggs

The PSA hologram on the back is shiny and those shiny holograms are on the
new holders. Correct me if I am wrong.

The holder is not the new one. Some of the older holders have a shiny silver PSA logo on the flips but without the inlaid "still" hologram. That's what we see on the back of the PSA 10 Joe Montana. Also, the construction of the older holders is entirely different than the new ones. One piece fits inside of another, somewhat similar to the construction dynamics of the Beckett holder. This holder (for the Montana) has two pieces that are sonically sealed along the edge. There's no question it is one of the older holders.

[Jdoggs]

Originally Posted by MW1

The holder is not the new one. Some of the older holders have a shiny silver PSA logo on the flips but without the inlaid "still" hologram. That's what we see on the back of the PSA 10 Joe Montana. Also, the construction of the older holders is entirely different than the new ones. One piece fits inside of another, somewhat similar to the construction dynamics of the Beckett holder. This holder (for the Montana) has two pieces that are sonically sealed along the edge. There's no question it is one of the older holders.

Thanks for the informative information. Also what do you mean by inlaid "still holograms? Also is it possible to tell from a scan if a PSA holder is a new or old one?

[glynparson]

yes it is easy to tell new holder vs old.

[Jdoggs]

Originally Posted by glynparson

yes it is easy to tell new holder vs old.

Ok how can you tell from a scan? What are the distinguishing characteristics of the new versus the old holder?

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by Jdoggs

Ok how can you tell from a scan? What are the distinguishing characteristics of the new versus the old holder?

Google is your friend. http://www.psacard.com/Articles/Arti...ts-its-holders

[CurtisFlood]

Originally Posted by Rollingstone206

Sean1125 just finished telling us he got caught up with forgeries. I can reasonably see someone ("Anyone") at a card show getting tricked by them at this level of sophistication. And, obviously others have been duped by these expensive forgeries or this thread wouldn't exist.

Now you're taking it a step further preaching exposure guarantees of Auction Houses and PSA authorized dealers yourself? For example the a dealer or AH might claim a card swap was done after the sale, same goes for PSA dealers, and PSA themself. It's a pretty hard thing to prove as a buyer. I know your treading on thin ice speaking absolutes on this subject.

I was duped the first time I tried to step outside of my area of expertise. At a National in Chicago several years ago I bought a Sport King Ruth and a 33 Goudey Ruth from a friendly gentleman who came by my table. The Sport King was real and the flip was in the PSA 3 Goudey holder. I was able to sell the Sport King for within $150 of the price I paid for both cards, so that should have been a tipoff that something was wrong with his offer. They should have been worth far more than I paid. I felt it was a cheap price for such a good and thorough education. I'm still waiting for that chap to return and try it again, his image is burned in my brain.

When dealing with pre war purchases I now refer to a second opinion whether the cards are in a PSA holder or raw.

[glynparson]

does not even look exactly the same it should not need an explanation just use your eyes. They are clearly different and sealed completely different and this is easily identifiable in a scan.

[Jdoggs]

Originally Posted by glynparson

does not even look exactly the same it should not need an explanation just use your eyes. They are clearly different and sealed completely different and this is easily identifiable in a scan.

Ok then why don't you explain how you can see they are sealed completely different in a scan?

[glynparson]

see that the top fits over the bottom piece as opposed to being sealed on the side this is clearly evident in the obverse scans of the cards. Sorry, I can not help you if you can not see this.

[glynparson]

it may be tougher to tell based on the style of slab, but i find it not to difficult for psa. please note psa is still returning some cards in the old slabs, guess using up old stock first.

[Jdoggs]

Originally Posted by glynparson

see that the top fits over the bottom piece as opposed to being sealed on the side this is clearly evident in the obverse scans of the cards. Sorry, I can not help you if you can not see this.

thanks i can see this and this is good to know.