Joe Orlando is lying fakes flips look real..

[Rollingstone206]

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[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Rollingstone206

Sean1125 just finished telling us he got caught up with forgeries. I can reasonably see someone ("Anyone") at a card show getting tricked by them at this level of sophistication. And, obviously others have been duped by these expensive forgeries or this thread wouldn't exist.

Now you're taking it a step further preaching exposure guarantees of Auction Houses and PSA authorized dealers yourself? For example the a dealer or AH might claim a card swap was done after the sale, same goes for PSA dealers, and PSA themself. It's a pretty hard thing to prove as a buyer. I know your treading on thin ice speaking absolutes on this subject.

right I agree, when it comes to money in life, people owing it or a dispute...is that the kind of thing that gets resolved easily? Always assume once you spend your money it will be hard to get back if you buy a fake and your expectations will match real life...

[glynparson]

but he is an admitted newer dealer and rather new to the hobby, comparing his knowledge to that of Levi and Jimmy, or Rob Lifson, or many others is a disservice to those very knowledgable men. Sean may get to their level someday but I doubt he thinks he is in their league as far as knowledge. A lot of cash does not equal knowledge.. Again not a slight at Sean but an endorsement of the others advanced knowledge. That said i believe he has demonstrated integrity and if he did get taken I am confident he would make the buyer whole.

[CurtisFlood]

Originally Posted by Rollingstone206

Sean1125 just finished telling us he got caught up with forgeries. I can reasonably see someone ("Anyone") at a card show getting tricked by them at this level of sophistication. And, obviously others have been duped by these expensive forgeries or this thread wouldn't exist.

Now you're taking it a step further preaching exposure guarantees of Auction Houses and PSA authorized dealers yourself? For example the a dealer or AH might claim a card swap was done after the sale, same goes for PSA dealers, and PSA themself. It's a pretty hard thing to prove as a buyer. I know your treading on thin ice speaking absolutes on this subject.

I was duped the first time I tried to step outside of my area of expertise. At a National in Chicago several years ago I bought a Sport King Ruth and a 33 Goudey Ruth from a friendly gentleman who came by my table. The Sport King was real and the flip was in the PSA 3 Goudey holder. I was able to sell the Sport King for within $150 of the price I paid for both cards, so that should have been a tipoff that something was wrong with his offer. They should have been worth far more than I paid. I felt it was a cheap price for such a good and thorough education. I'm still waiting for that chap to return and try it again, his image is burned in my brain.

When dealing with pre war purchases I now refer to a second opinion whether the cards are in a PSA holder or raw.

[glynparson]

does not even look exactly the same it should not need an explanation just use your eyes. They are clearly different and sealed completely different and this is easily identifiable in a scan.

[Jdoggs]

Originally Posted by glynparson

does not even look exactly the same it should not need an explanation just use your eyes. They are clearly different and sealed completely different and this is easily identifiable in a scan.

Ok then why don't you explain how you can see they are sealed completely different in a scan?

[glynparson]

see that the top fits over the bottom piece as opposed to being sealed on the side this is clearly evident in the obverse scans of the cards. Sorry, I can not help you if you can not see this.

[glynparson]

it may be tougher to tell based on the style of slab, but i find it not to difficult for psa. please note psa is still returning some cards in the old slabs, guess using up old stock first.

[Jdoggs]

Originally Posted by glynparson

see that the top fits over the bottom piece as opposed to being sealed on the side this is clearly evident in the obverse scans of the cards. Sorry, I can not help you if you can not see this.

thanks i can see this and this is good to know.