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Hey Bill,

I don't know how much luck was involved in this game above any other game.
It always takes some luck, but in this game, I'd say determination had a lot to do with the outcome. As bad as it was going for Seattle, you'd think it would have been easy for them to concede.

And I really like that there were no major officiating controversies in the game
Lately, that itself is newsworthy!

Let's see a fake field goal, an onside kick, and a desperate heave for a 2 point conversion, I'd say luck had a LOT to do with it. I thought I was watching a Boise State game all of a sudden, the only thing missing was the statue of liberty, or the fumble-rooski.

While the Seahawks should be credited for playing to the final whistle, the Packers could not have done more to lose that game. I'm a huge Hawks fan, but still cannot wrap my mind around that victory.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by pariah1107

Let's see a fake field goal, an onside kick, and a desperate heave for a 2 point conversion, I'd say luck had a LOT to do with it.

Don't forget the coin toss too. All the lucky breaks went Seattle's way in the last 3 minutes - onside kick that should have been recovered by GB, what should have been a botched 2 point conversion, and then the coin toss.

If Seattle plays that way against NE, it will be a beatdown!!!

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Don't forget the coin toss too. All the lucky breaks went Seattle's way in the last 3 minutes - onside kick that should have been recovered by GB, what should have been a botched 2 point conversion, and then the coin toss.

If Seattle plays that way against NE, it will be a beatdown!!!

You are right - by definition, coin tosses DO involve luck; however, given that Green Bay had stopped Seattle for 57:51 of regulation, you would think that Seattle's decision to receive was stupid. You would think that Green Bay could easily stop them and then their star, Aaron Rodgers, could easily drive for at least a field goal - game over. Luck?

The only Luck I know of was in New England yesterday, not in Seattle.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Runscott

You are right - by definition, coin tosses DO involve luck; however, given that Green Bay had stopped Seattle for 57:51 of regulation, you would think that Seattle's decision to receive was stupid. You would think that Green Bay could easily stop them and then their star, Aaron Rodgers, could easily drive for at least a field goal - game over. Luck?

The only Luck I know of was in New England yesterday, not in Seattle.

No luck? So you're saying that 2 point conversion happened exactly as it was designed?

Come one, Scott. The onsides kick and 2 point conversion were luck. If either of those goes GBs way, then we're not even having this discussion.

Let me repeat, if Seattle plays the way they did yesterday against NE, they will get a beatdown!

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

No luck? So you're saying that 2 point conversion happened exactly as it was designed?

Come one, Scott. The onsides kick and 2 point conversion were luck. If either of those goes GBs way, then we're not even having this discussion.

Let me repeat, if Seattle plays the way they did yesterday against NE, they will get a beatdown!

The fact that it didn't go exactly as planned is far different from "luck". Wilson scrambled, eluded the defense, the receive got open, Wilson hit him. That's football. Same for the onside kick - 16% chance of success, but not luck. The kick was executed perfectly, and as I stated earlier, Bostick did not block, but instead attempted to catch a ball when it wasn't his assignment to do so. No luck there, just perfect execution by one team and poor execution by the other.

The only luck was the coin toss, which I've already discussed.

So many things had to go right for Seattle and wrong for Green Bay, in order for things to turn out the way they did. And it all happened - statistically improbable, but not luck. I'm as amazed as anyone, but I would never say "we got lucky".

[Runscott]

David, you and Bill have gotten me thinking about 'luck' a bit more. Trying to think of times when I felt like my team got gyp'd because of 'bad luck', I really can't come up with anything. But here are some sports plays that I really do think involved luck:

• the immaculate reception
• Doug Flutie's hail mary pass
• Moises Alou getting robbed by a fan
• any play involving instant replay that was ruled incorrectly after review (or correctly) - the luck being the official drawn for the game to make such decisions
• all coin tosses
• Mickey Mantle twisting his ankle on a sprinkler head
• I would almost say the Christian Laetner's bucket, but he did have to throw it in the correct direction.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Runscott

The fact that it didn't go exactly as planned is far different from "luck". Wilson scrambled, eluded the defense, the receive got open, Wilson hit him. That's football.

"It didn't go exactly as planned"

Scott, that is the VERY definition of luck.

Luck: noun - \ˈlək\ - the accidental way things happen without being planned.

Merriam-Webster's online Dictionary

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/luck

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by pariah1107

...but still cannot wrap my mind around that victory.

I'm with you on that.